Meat is not the problem. The problem is the standard sides and processed food people usually eat with the meat. Like burger buns, seed oils, food in frying oil .. and so on.
Eating clean proper ruminant meat will not be bad for you. What you eat with it is another issue..
Oh dear, someone gets their health advice from streamers and podcasters rather than actual health professionals.
The seed oil thing is nonsense.
> Eating clean proper ruminant meat will not be bad for you
Eating too much beef is bad for you in a variety of ways, it's associated with high blood pressure and high cholesterol, cardiovascular disease and type 2 diabetes.
It's frickin' delicious, but it's not some panacea superfood, quite the opposite.
Oh dear, someone believes everything they read on how something is not bad for you. Tell me how seed oils isnt associated with all our health style issues?
For one, every way I eat is based on trial and error. I've read many books and studies throughout the years. I have tried a whole food vegan approach for 6 months in 2020, which was terrible for my IBS. I struggled with ibs for years until I started figuring out stuff. I come from a family that is chronic in their seed oils use, and other processed food. When I tried to cut it out from my diet completely, I had improvements in my gut, as well as my skin and migraine. I am diagnosed with idiopathic urticaria, migraine, and IBS.
Solving my issues has been my main goal since I was a 115kg heavy teenager under 165cm. I managed to lose all the extra weight, but not without all my problems mentioned. Therefore I started experimenting from 2017. The last 4 years has been amazing regarding health and diet.I mainly eat ketogenic diet, and no seed oils at all. Only carb I do eat occasionally is potato. Potato seems to not trigger anything for me.
Current weight is 86kg, and been maintaing around this for years now based on my gym schedule.
I don't care about what streamers says at all. Unless they have tried it themselves for longer than 90 days, then it is invalid in my opinion. Just assuming that my advice is based on advice from streamers and podcasters is plain stupidity. If I can create the food myself from ingridients and animals around me. Then it also means humans did for ten thousands of years prior. Seed oils did not even exist before modern times. I do not count olive oil as seed oil when I say this.
Disclaimer: I have spent hundreds on hours on reading shit like this. How much time did you spend on the topic food? Did you transform yourself from trial and error?
Not sure if I want that to be honest. I could surely be 6-7kg lighter, but I would lose strength that has taken years to build. My height is 185cm now.
> Tell me how seed oils isnt associated with all our health style issues?
Ok, smoking, air pollution, mining runoff and water table poisoning, industrial waste, low-nutrient density foods, processed foods, sugary foods, red meat, Soda, energy drinks, lack of preventative care, lack in general of practical and affordable healthcare, alcohol, I could go on with hundreds of other things. But sure, seed oils are the problem. All of these are much more harmful to society than seed oils. Sure, are they used in excess? I'll grant that, but replacing them with animal fats is awful.
Linseed oil (flaxseed oil) is high in ALA and omega-6 fats, it could cause a REDUCTION in inflammation in some cases. It has the best omega-3:omega-6 ratio I know, and plenty of others are not harmful.
It sounds like you found something that works for you, but please keep the misinformation out of this convo.
Its not misinformation if its true. I specifically called out seed oils, since cutting that will basically cut most of the things that is bad in the modern diet. Its hard to find ultra processed foods without it here in my country. Even some soda has it now.. Its obvious that there are many factors, but starting with removing seed oils and sugar will make the biggest impact since so many other options has to be removed then.
Your list is true if you remove red meat from it. Obviously no people should be smoking, drinking, using plastics around food, do some gym or other fitness daily .. and so on.
So the real story here is that seed oils are a proxy, you haven’t necessarily seen any effect from removing them from your diet (consistent with the actual evidence here) but by cutting out processed junk you’ve lost a load of weight.
Congrats on the weight loss (genuinely), but it’s very unlikely seed oils are any sort of factor in themselves.
Here's the experts showing that meat is heavily linked to cancer:
"The International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) classifies processed meat as a Group 1 carcinogen (meaning it is carcinogenic to humans), and red meat as a Group 2A carcinogen (meaning it is probably carcinogenic to humans)."
As a preventive measure, vegetarian/vegan diets are correlated with lower incidence of some types of cancer. There's a little bit of research showing that survivors of these same types of cancer may do better afterward (as in lower likelihood of recurrence) with a plant-based diet, but it's too soon to draw any conclusions there.
But there's nothing to suggest eliminating meat can help combat cancer or increase survival rates. And good nutrition -- including and especially protein -- is critical while fighting cancer. Switching to a plant based diet usually makes this harder for people.
Don't throw around stuff like this. It's pseudoscientific, at best.
Yeah it's a phenomenal documentary to watch if your favorite hobbies include confusing correlation with causation and completely misinterpreting rat studies
We are talking about a biased documentary promoting a particular diet, not "the worlds largest study of nutrition, run by actual doctors". Yes, the documentary refers to studies like The China Study but that is an observational study that drew controversial conclusions, not some infallible piece of research. Hardly the gold standard of research. Do better.
There’s a difference between watching the documentary and reading the book, and scouring the internet for quick ways to dismiss it so you don’t have to change your lifestyle. Be better.
Your argument is that the companion book to the documentary, written by a ghostwriter who is not a doctor is not biased? Okay. I'm glad you liked your book. You should read actual research and not watch/read this biased BS
I've made plenty of lifestyle changes over the years based on actual research, the most recent of which was cutting down saturated fat which cut my LDL cholesterol by over 50% in 6 weeks. But I don't put much stock in these documentaries that are incredibly biased. Only stupid people can't see just how biased they really are. They are created just to ride the plant-based diet trend to make money, don't you see that?
Also it's funny because you know nothing about my lifestyle but you are attacking it just because I don't follow a strict plant-based diet. You are in a cult and you don't even realize it
Update: thank you for the downvote, whoever you are.