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Or maybe he’s reporting to meta?


How did they get Wonder up the benchmarks so fast? Llama was a mess


They hired (poached) a bunch of the top talent from OpenAI and other places. It's really not a secret.


Why is the word "poached" though, like it's illegal or those people "rightfully belongs" to OpenAI but now Facebook "stole" them somehow? Feels like something Steve Jobs would coin just to make it sound worse than it is. People switch jobs, this is OK.


It’s been used like this since the 1850s


True. But should it be that way?


Words are meant to convey an idea to your audience! In some sense there's no "should" - either a word works or it doesn't.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_description


Words do indeed convey an idea. What is being debated is whether the use of the word "poached" conveys the correct idea.

"Poaching" a thing implies that a thing is owned and was unjustly taken.

Humans are employed, not owned. An employer<->employee relationship requires both parties to continue. If an employee breaks this relationship and makes a new one with another employer, there is no theft.

So why do we use the word "poach"? It does not convey what occurred!

My injection into the thread was to query whether a term having been used for a long time is reason enough to continue to use the word "poached" with its associated connotations. We have plenty of other words to use.


In the world of recruiters and hiring, a “headhunter” is probably not slaying candidates with a spear and decapitating them for a trophy, but nevertheless, we use that term routinely! It does not convey what occurred!

Goodness gracious!


Yeah man, they're call "loaded terms" for a reason. They are loaded with connotations beyond what occurred.

For example, I could call you a nitpicker. Are you picking nits? No.

Are you being conscientious? Paying attention to detail? Sure.

Which word would you want me to label you with?

As an employee do I want to be poached? No. I want to be approached, reasoned with, and make my own choices no matter what either employer "feels" about the situation.


Yeah, but you’re a big dumb warrior and I’m a crafty kingmaker with some coin.


Why do we poach eggs without stealing them in the dead of night? It's just English.


Surprisingly, meanings of words have contexts. Who knew?


Nice job answering your own question.


Ha. Talent. You mean people who cheat on their interviews like this guy.


They hired many accomplished researchers, with track records of both papers and work at other frontier companies. They gave those folks huge autonomy, huge budget, and 18 months - some would say at the expense of the rest of the company. Check out blind references to TBD. I'd call the strategy ruthless, but it certainly was effective.


And when the Chinese does the same, we call them "stealing technology".


Seems possible there is some chance Alexandr knows what he's doing.


Perhaps dividends from the forced, company-wide panopticon RLHF.


A new team, probably focused on better data.




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