We have entered the era of building enterprise scale projects for your own personal use. I can do things it took teams years to build as a hobby project over a weekend.
So much of that "took years" is because they didn't know exactly what the "years from now" state they were building in advance. Another huge chunk is because they started getting customers and had to respond to customer needs, demands, scale, bugfixes, preserve uptime, etc.
And even then, "enterprise" was often a dirty word in these circles. The over-engineered would-be-swiss-army-knife vendor that was mediocre-for-everyone but excellent for nobody.
I have built many tools in the recent past for myself. None of them need to be "enterprise scale." Most of them would be worse for it because the agent output suffers when the pile gets deeper and it's just adding more piles on top.
the very notion that everything has to be 'impressive' to you is ridiculous. You still don't understand the era of personal software and everything has to be a windows replacement or it wasn't worth building to you?
I'm making my own azure blob storage explorer, notes mac/android, db client etc.. its not about being 'impressive' but being personally suited to individual needs.
He said most impressive and useful meaning there is no absolute cutoff. The only reason why you would be offended is because you have built nothing at all and that's you telling on yourself. Not to mention the question wasn't even aimed at you.
No, that's not what happened in this thread at all.
There's a recurring pattern on HN where any time someone talks about knocking dozens of personal projects off their list - things that almost certainly would never have actually been addressed in the finite span of a normal life, the way things go - and you AI doomers show up and demand receipts as though that's a total reasonable and definitely not obnoxious request.
It's like if you tell someone that you love your partner and they demand to sit in the cuck chair or else you're obviously lying. I keep hoping people will move past this "prove that you're actually productive" reflex, but it just keeps happening in basically every AI thread.
In reality there are many reasons not to list out projects that you've worked on with LLMs, and while "none of your damn business" is always going to be at the top, the simple truth is that I want my products and projects to be judged by what they do and how well they work, not by how they were made.
> "There's a recurring pattern on HN where any time someone talks about knocking dozens of personal projects off their list"
Nobody was talking about that very believable use case. What they specifically said was "enterprise scale projects". Enterprise scale means lots of users, decades of backwards compatibility, regulation compliance, logging and auditing, reporting, role based access control and permissions, integration with other enterprise systems, etc. etc.
> "you AI doomers show up and demand receipts as though that's a total reasonable and"
Asking what large scale programs they have built is not "dooming". It's also not demanding. It's also not unreasonable.
> "definitely not obnoxious request".
Saying that it's "unreasonable and obnoxious" to ask people to justify their claims is where the likes of Theranos and Nikola electric truck company are hiding. If they don't want to talk about their stuff, they could have not commented. Since they commented it's reasonable to ask them about what they said.
> What they specifically said was "enterprise scale projects". Enterprise scale means lots of users, decades of backwards compatibility, regulation compliance, logging and auditing, reporting, role based access control and permissions, integration with other enterprise systems, etc. etc.
It's extremely obvious to everyone else here that they were not talking about literal enterprise software. Perhaps they could have chosen different terminology, but the fact that you've clearly latched on to this relatively minor word choice as some kind of smoking gun says infinitely more about your perspective and motivations than it does about whether some guy is building big-to-him projects or Enterprise Projects.
Tell me: when someone says that the shit hit the fan, do you furiously start looking around for actual shit?
1) someone makes unbelievable claim, someone else questions it.
2) You jump in: "how dare you not accept this obviously-true claim at face value, why are you AI doomers always insinuating that these claims are false and demanding evidence?!".
3) I comment taking the claim at face value.
4) You jump in: "idiot, how stupid are you to take the claim at face value, it's extremely obvious to everyone here that it's not meant literally".
Well if we all agree it's completely unbeleivable if taken literally, can we now have your permission to ask about the reality behind the statement? "if 'enterprise scale' is not intended to mean 'enterprise scale', what scale is the person actually talking about?
> "Absolutely nothing you're saying is in good faith. You're just arguing for the sake of arguing."
And your dragging the conversation off topic, turning it into personal attacks, redefining what words mean, refusing to address the point, flip-flopping your position 180 degrees, refusing to acknowledge that you did that, turning it personal again, has all been good faith positive contribution, has it?
You misread a comment so badly that you ended up responding to a completely different and made up comment. Your unwillingness to admit that you were wrong is way worse than whatever reflex you are ranting about.
So software that already solves those problems isn't good enough and your vibe coded versions will be better? And totally worth the negative cost of AI to society and the environment? You just gotta have your own versions right?
Well, maybe, for certain programs, yes? Maybe I don't want a million SLOC behemoth with 1000 features that has a huge attack surface, when a slim 10k SLOC tool that does exactly what I need (and nothing more) will suffice? A tool that I can modify and extend on a whim? A tool that does one thing, and does it well — you know, the Unix philosophy?
