On: Why were Victorian elites so effective?

[OroPla]

Because they did not put sugar in everything. Also, they weren't cooking with vegetable oils.

Without those two it's a bit difficult to get to the point of obesity in a world where you have to walk a lot because cars and elevators don't exist.

[samatman → OroPla]

Correction: they did put sugar in absolutely everything. Vast quantities of it. Read up on Demerara sometime.

That leaves vegetable oils, and cars. I think it's like 70/30 personally.

[amelius → OroPla]

But they drank a lot of alcohol ...