On: Claude Code’s suggested message feature: I think the real customer is the model

[turth]

There was an interesting LessWrong post recently about the "talker" part of the robot being very different from the "doer" part: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/cJX2ssssGoYqnijwi/the-talker...

[Schlagbohrer → turth]

"But a human cannot point to a piece of the outer world and say, "See that stuff right there? That stuff is Failure."

Counterpoint, I would point at the mouth of a shark or a slippery cliff and say, "That is failure"

[willrshansen → Schlagbohrer]

Given how little they've changed over the years, sharks are very successful.

[Lalabadie → willrshansen]

I think the point was that moving towards these outcomes (bit by a snake, ripped apart by a shark) are examples of failure.

[JoshGG → Schlagbohrer]

Humans create structures with clearly defined success and failure all the time. That’s part of good management. Experienced people can often say whether an effort is going well or not and list reasonable justifications for their assessment.

[LoganDark → turth]

ADHD makes me like this too. It feels like I always know what I should do and then I just don't do that.

[stefanfisk → LoganDark]

I can relate. The most sadly amusing part is when I know I’m approaching something the wrong way and I still keep at it even though the voice in my head keeps telling me that it should take a different approach.

Last year I tore down the whole roof of my cabin instead of just the asbestos tiles because I had momentum, all while I kept thinking “you should really stop and consider what you are doing, this was NOT the plan”.

The voice was right and now I need to learn how to level the roof on an old Frankenstein’s monster cabin…

[LoganDark → stefanfisk]

I feel like the voice is always right, but some part of me tries to know better, it doesn't work and I end up regretting it.

But sometimes the roles are flipped and the voice is the one trying to tell me to give up on something that ends up fine.

I can never figure out which side is the right one!

[pavlov → LoganDark]

My family has a history of schizophrenia. Sometimes I feel tempted to start thinking about my mind as a collection of separate agents and separate voices, and quickly it starts to feel like it's pulling me into a place where I know I shouldn't be looking.

Compared to the uniformity of LLMs, human minds are fascinatingly different from each other. Are voices good, are they bad, or maybe you don't have even an inner monologue? Yet these differences mostly stay hidden and don't stop us from collaborating and understanding each other through empathy.

[LoganDark → pavlov]

> My family has a history of schizophrenia. Sometimes I feel tempted to start thinking about my mind as a collection of separate agents and separate voices, and quickly it starts to feel like it's pulling me into a place where I know I shouldn't be looking.

No history of schizophrenia here, but my mind definitely is that way. (Thanks, DID!)

There's a theory (multiple theories, actually, like Internal Family System) that most minds are that way, they're just more or less distinctly separated.

[jaapz → pavlov]

> or maybe you don't have even an inner monologue

Does this exist?

[pavlov → jaapz]

Apparently yes, it was a pretty big online topic a few years ago. Here's a recent Reddit thread:

https://www.reddit.com/r/AMA/comments/1o0kz9d/i_have_no_inne...

[Skwid → turth]

That was an interesting read. I don't use LLMs but I have been wondering for a while with trends in model size, RL and synthetic data if we'd start to see more obvious separation of functions.

Most of all though, I couldn't stop thinking about Wintermute and Neuromancer...