"Initially as spokesperson, and then as President, of the Movement for the Survival of the Ogoni People (MOSOP), Saro-Wiwa led a nonviolent campaign against environmental degradation of the land and waters of Ogoniland by the operations of the multinational petroleum industry, especially the Royal Dutch Shell company. He was also an outspoken critic of the Nigerian government, which he viewed as reluctant to enforce environmental regulations on the foreign petroleum companies operating in the area."
And there was an international shitstorm regarding this which is how I came to know about it. Shell was implicated as having leaned on the Nigerian government to get rid of this troublemaker which they promptly did.
Bits like "At least two witnesses who testified that Saro-Wiwa was involved in the murders of the Ogoni elders later recanted, stating that they had been bribed with money and offers of jobs with Shell to give false testimony – in the presence of Shell’s lawyer." in the wikipedia article should hopefully convince you of that.
Really, I feel a bit insulted by your references to being trolled, it's not as if I'm the new guy around here. Feel free to disagree with me but calling names is really bad form.
Shell did what they did because they thought they could get away with it.
1995 is today enough that I remember clearly reading about this in the papers, and about many other big oil crimes since then. I purposefully selected something that should clearly register as an outrage on your spectrum and the only thing you bring up to defend it is that it wasn't 'today'. There are many more recent crimes by large corporations but this one stood out for me.
And no, I don't limit my criticism to corporations but if you look back a bit then you'll notice that this thread started about corporations so that is the topic.
>>Shell was implicated as having leaned on the Nigerian government to get rid of this troublemaker which they promptly did.
I can't find that in the Wikipedia article? Can you?
I wrote: "If Shell was involved (why would they murder internationally known critics -- the resulting sh-t storm is obvious) -- was any higher up Shell people involved?"
That was just not enough to condemn Shell in a court of justice.
Two witnesses much later claimed Shell people helped buy their perjury. They could have lied or where it really Shell layers. E.g. did they get the promised jobs?
>>I purposefully selected something that should clearly register as an outrage on your spectrum and the only thing you bring up to defend it is that it wasn't 'today'.
Where did I write it wasn't an outrage?! I wrote that I couldn't see proof in the WP article that Shell was in on it. (See above.)
I wrote "Any of the tyrants worth his own weight in human ears have done worse than most any corporation since 1995." So I have not denied company misbehaviour, which of course is rampant where companies can get away with it, same as with all human organisations.
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I've mostly quoted what you commented on as answer to what you claimed. That do say something.
>>And no, I don't limit my criticism to corporations but if you look back a bit then you'll notice that this thread started about corporations so that is the topic.
I started my previous comment "You just ignored 90+% of what I wrote as answers to your strange opinions. Sigh... OK."
Enough, you lack defense for what I brought up -- your strange positions of judging (just) western society over the last 600 years by the present moral code.
If you insist on changing the subject to the exact content of wikipedia re an irrelevant old killing in Nigeria and claim I don't think corporate murder is an outrage -- don't complain if it is called trolling.
Edit: If you have a coherent point in what you wrote re western society's unique guilt over the last 600 years because we have corporations, please tell me. (It seems you went from (1) a general point to (2) your personal history to (3) that corporations can do bad stuff (which no one will argue against.))
And there was an international shitstorm regarding this which is how I came to know about it. Shell was implicated as having leaned on the Nigerian government to get rid of this troublemaker which they promptly did.
Bits like "At least two witnesses who testified that Saro-Wiwa was involved in the murders of the Ogoni elders later recanted, stating that they had been bribed with money and offers of jobs with Shell to give false testimony – in the presence of Shell’s lawyer." in the wikipedia article should hopefully convince you of that.
Really, I feel a bit insulted by your references to being trolled, it's not as if I'm the new guy around here. Feel free to disagree with me but calling names is really bad form.
Shell did what they did because they thought they could get away with it.
1995 is today enough that I remember clearly reading about this in the papers, and about many other big oil crimes since then. I purposefully selected something that should clearly register as an outrage on your spectrum and the only thing you bring up to defend it is that it wasn't 'today'. There are many more recent crimes by large corporations but this one stood out for me.
And no, I don't limit my criticism to corporations but if you look back a bit then you'll notice that this thread started about corporations so that is the topic.