Considering there hasn't been a major console (including xbox) that's been immune from crackers running arbitrary code, I'm pretty confident that we'll be seeing linux running on the surface at some point. Unfortunately the article's title is probably accurate; It's probably going to be too difficult for someone who's not a very-motivated linux fan to do it.
It's a shame too, when I first saw the surface my initial reaction was "Holy crap, if I can wipe it and put Arch on it it's the perfect mobile laptop replacement, I'll buy it for sure". Oh well, guess I'll have to wait to see how easy the jailbreak is.
(Or maybe everyone who could produce a jailbreak for the v3s is engaged in a lucrative business selling v2s on Ebay)
(btw sent from the news:yc app).
Hadn't realized AppleTV v2 had a market. Tempted to upgrade and make some cash.
Out of curiosity, what functionality in XBMC do you find particularly worthwhile?
Looks like I'll get an upgrade and extra cash for my v2, as I'm not interested in hacking.
Your overall point is correct, even if the PlayStation is not a good supporting argument.
I'm pretty sure someone will be able to jailbreak it, though it might take some time. I think the whole secure-boot thing will work out somehow in the future. I'm not prepared to have my next PC locked down, keeping me from running the OS I want. Until then, I will quite simply not buy a new machine.
If I've learned anything about computer security in my life, it's that there is no such thing.
The biggest hurdle you'd face is actually that Linux doesn't support ACPI or UEFI on ARM yet. I believe that Linaro are working on that, though.
Does that also apply to touchpads? The last thing in Linux that never ever works well for me is the touchpad. touchegg is mildly better, I've tried tweaking synclient with limited success...
I'd love to be wrong, I promise you, but if MS has done their homework right and looked at what others have done, it ought to be close to possible. (Also note that the primary way of compromising the Xbox these days requires electrically glitching hardware. I suppose something similar could be devised for a targeted ARM device but it seems less likly given the cost/benefit that mjg referenced).
I do wish Microsoft would take the "high road" and offer the same option to disable secure boot on the Surface RT.
"Back in my day, we learned to program by just programming! I used to practice my programming skills on whatever computer I could get my hands on when I was your age...you kids will never understand how much the world has changed..."
I hope we don't end up like gaming console ecosystem: developer machines cost 3x-10x what a consumer version
Surface RT doesn't have that option, because it is exactly like the iPad except that it is going to be far less popular. To be fair, if there is anyone to be blamed for this alarming trend of locking things down, it is Apple.
The tyranny of the masses has traditionally been held back by enacting rules of law that the masses have no interest in. In this particular case, that would be consumer protection laws that the majority of consumers would not care about.
It's sort of like how privacy isn't a concern/issue for this latest generation that is getting online.
First of all, the number of people interested in dual-boot or otherwise are likely to be small. But even so, why drive away potential customers and business? If the hardware is what people want, isn't it your goal, as a business, to give them the hardware; and to give your shareholders the profits from the sale of said hardware?
I don't see the win in a decision like this. It's a lose lose situation that could be a win win.
Well, they want the alternatives to their product to be difficult to install so people remain in the Windows world or MS ecosystem.
When there is no alternative, there is a monopoly and you could raise your profits as much as you want, they will pay, econ 101.
Microsoft had been reaping a 90% and 95% margin from their Windows and MS Office products just because of their monopoly, and +30% in their global business(after spending billions on "me too" projects like bing, zune, winmo, lumia or xbox, witch lost billions before getting profitable).
The likelihood of a device being broken is almost purely a function of interest; the interest just isn't there for the Surface, which is why the money I got is going to the EFF rather than buying a device (my contingency if the project didn't raise enough or raised too much).
We're only worrying about this entire issue because the mass market, presumably, will adopt Surface - and thus Microsofts standard lockout policies - and thus 'all the cheap hardware wont be available to us'.
But, there is absolutely nothing stopping a hardware manufacturer from stepping up and saying - well, here's a laptop that is just as nice, but no lockout. Companies like Always-Innovating (shudder) have attempted it in the past - sure, its not easy, but it may be easier than getting Surface cracked, or the US/EU/Chinese Governments to apply anti-monopoly legislation to Microsoft/et al.
I know, its expensive to get this done properly, but if there is an opportunity here, its in the Hardware Startup realm. It is fraught with danger and problem at all fronts, but then again .. people said that the raspberry-pi project wouldn't work. They said it about the Open Pandora. They said it about Always Innovating. It really is just a matter of pushing harder, persisting through the storms, and I believe the market is there.
In fact, OpenPandora2 could very well be the solution to this entire dilemna. The OP guys have had a rough time of it, but they're still in the ring .. if only someone like Valve or so on would get a bit more muscle behind them, we'd see the OpenPandora2 (or whatever) step into the ring and start competing just fine, methinks ..
EDIT: Take a look at this thing and tell me its not a few small hardware-revisions away from being an ideal Surface competitor: http://www.openpandora.org/ It may well be 5 years behind the tech curve, but the damn thing works so well, and yet was created by VOLUNTEERS and PIONEERS who, indeed, have emerged from the Linux/OpenSource eco-sphere, under the radar of the mainstream to start actually delivering. I know, the numbers aren't there (they haven't hit 5000 users yet), but just imagine what it could be if a little more muscle were put behind this project from someone like Valve ..
This new Firmware is designed to keep Malware off PCs, but it also keeps competition to Windows off PCs as well. Time for another DOJ investigation of Microsoft for locking out competition?
You couldn't get most of HN to do something like this, let alone the general public.
On the other hand, the average customer doesn't even want to go through the trouble of buying a device and then having to load the OS on it. Arguably it's a red herring to worry about the Surface. Let it succeed or fail. But you can be sure I won't buy one.
Oh, I did, and is fantastic.
I could log the rpms of the tachometer, the accelerations and the gyros, GPS, fuel that the car is spending, the battery use, so I could model the energy it takes for my car to go to the mountains up or down, how much it will spend more if there are red semaphores on my way, or the true air resistance with velocity( I had some marks in the bodywork and instruments outside that really affect aerodinamics with velocity).
It is really really useful planning ahead how much fuel you will use based on a map, how much money you will spend and how much your tires suffer in every circumstance with real data instead of suppositions(that are almost wrong).
In the future all cars will be like that, that is for sure.
Just because it is an appliance that you are not interested in modifying doesn't mean that he should not be disappointed...
Obviously if he thinks the general HN crowd isn't interested he doesn't expect the general HN crowd to be saddened by that fact.
Ok, I hacked it and replaced it with an MSD electronic ignition.
Can you tell more?
Actually, no, I'd rather just wait for Google to bring out their car. Self driving, knows where I want to go based on my calendar/plane tickets/etc (things that Google Now already does), etc.