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Agreed. That's actually what OP said as well.

Not if the slop marketing subsequently gives me indigestion

Using AI to make a sign is likely a pretty good indicator as to the effort the owner puts into other aspects of their business.

Seems to me it's an indicator that the owner cares more about making and serving food or drink than they do about advertising it. I'd feel differently if some big corporate chain were doing this, but if it's a little "mom & pop"/"hole in the wall" type place, cheap advertising is a neutral-to-positive signal.

> Seems to me it's an indicator that the owner cares more about making and serving food or drink than they do about advertising it.

Why? When you see a derelict pizzeria, you don't think "they must be devoting all their energy to making good pizzas!". Similarly, that a coffee shop owner uses AI for branding is a big signifier of their laziness or lack of attention to detail.


If I'm lining up to order from a shabby old school bus with a menu in the window written in sharpie on a piece of cardboard, I know I'm a couple minutes away from tucking into some banging tacos.

It only signals to me that they have other priorities.

Correct, but they own a coffee shop, they aren't building rockets. The menu is definitely a significant part of it.

If they can barely do that, then I'm sure they're slacking off on more stuff too.


> The menu is definitely a significant part of it

The overlap in skills between photographing your product and being a great barrista aren't obviously overlapping.

The takeaway seems to be to remove images from the menu.


You think this is a signal of some great barista?

Starbucks has an amazingly polished corporate image and at least where I'm from the locales have great wall art done by local artists presented alongside tasteful decor and a minimalistic but well cared for choice of furniture that I can't honestly give it no less than a 9/10 presentation.

The coffee still tastes like a Victorian chimney sweeper's piss.


H... how do you know?

As a customer yes, I would have vastly higher confidence in the quality of a coffee shop with no pictures vs one that uses AI slop.

Why?

I’m not GP but this hits for me so I’ll reply in good faith

I don’t actually care about the menu or sign. It’s a coffee drink and I’ve had thousands if not hundreds of thousands of them. I know what I like and if it’s just stencil letters pinned on a cork board I don’t care. I just want to grab a coffee and go.

A shop with no pictures, just words? Sends a message that their coffee is probably good enough to speak for itself. Fine.

A shop with hand drawn lettering, ornate art? The coffee is probably made by people who care about their craft in some fashion. At least the person making my coffee probably enjoys their job a little. Fine.

Fully AI menu with gen Ai modeled drink pictures? The drink isn’t going to look like that. There is obviously no effort made here. They spent time to create a generic menu my kids could have put together. Worst of the lot, to be honest.


It was just a replacement for those temporary chalkboard menus, the person wo did that previously left. Perhaps she has bad taste but that doesn't mean she was slacking off. Did they spend a lot of time on the chalkboard menus previously?

Just printing this item was reported in the article as costing $150.

How much might it cost to have someone local show up and produce a decent-looking chalkboard display?


This is what people are actually mad about when businesses use AI art. You claim to live in an artistic community, great, ask your staff if they have any friends who draw who want to come by and make a quick $100. You spent more money on a worse result that alienates your community.

Honestly, I'd rather have a word printed doc for the menu than this. It's not that difficult, doesn't require any skills and doesn't take any time.

IDK, you own a business and do this sort of stuff and all sorts of red flags go off for me.


Where do you draw the line? Is buying already roasted coffee beans a sign they are slacking off instead of roasting it themselves?

What if they use a machine grinder instead of a hand grinder?


My coffee shop barely has a menu. None of the current roasts are listed anywhere, you have to ask and they change daily. No signage. It’s consistently the best coffee I’ve had. Not fussy but very very good.

They do slack off on cleaning the chairs and the decor, that’s for sure. The coffee though is phenomenal.


> It only signals to me that they have other priorities

Yes, priorities other than their business.


Unless they use the time they previously spent making a sign into making a better coffee.

How would a coffee shop spend an hour making their coffee better

Like you own a coffee shop and you’ve freed up one hour in the 12 weeks before you have to make a new sign, what do you do in that hour that makes the coffee better?


Spending the money you would have wasted on a flaky local artist to draw an overpriced disposable sandwich board on better coffee beans.

The entitlement is off the charts. The more I read this insanity, the more I hope she printed it at Walmart with a discount coupon.


This is really repulsive. This kind of trolling makes me feel like donating to a local data center out of spite.

Absolutely not. My local kebab shop 100% uses AI for their menus and signage. It’s delicious. He does not have time or the desire to worry about the provenance of the menus.

It’s a pretty good indicator the owner bought a ChatGPT or Canva subscription, that’s about it.


I wonder if they worry about the provenance of their meat. Might be delicious but you might be eating horse.

Yes. It's a sign they spend a lot of effort making good coffee and don't have a lot of effort left over to work on a sign.

The environment the coffee is served in is a significant part of the business.

Somehow I don't think that's the tradeoff being made

They own the business, they don't make the coffee, nor did they make the sign they had earlier.

> They own the business, they don't make the coffee

You might not have spent a lot of time in the world of "small business", but this is hysterically out of touch.


The article literally mentions that they have baristas, one of whom was making the old menu because they were "aesthetically inclined." This can also be confirmed by looking at the employment section of their website.

The owner was not personally either making or serving the coffee.


I don't follow. Even a little bit.

Every single small coffee shop owner I know has employees. They work alongside them and do every job in the shop along with them. They operate in shifts, sometimes the owner is there for both open and close.

What does hiring a barista have to do with not making coffee yourself?

Gonna go with the "hilariously out of touch" comment. These places rarely print money to the point an owner can be an absentee manager type.


You're pretending not to comprehend the simple concept of a barista.

I can see you're not interested in a good faith conversation here. I'm not going to waste any more of my time. Feel free to keep on berating me if it makes you feel better.


The most fitting description of an owner of a small coffee shop is "barista". Most barista's I know also handle far more than just making coffee and serving customers. They do everything short of being personally financially responsible for the business itself.

It's quite clear that if anyone was operating in bad faith here, it's not the commenters challenging your position. Small business ownership is almost always simply a riskier version of having the job you're also hiring for with a very small chance of upside. Usually at lower pay.

In this particular case the owner was simply doing a task other barista's like herself were doing as part of the regular job of a barista.

> The owner was not personally either making or serving the coffee.

This is the part I do not follow. Of course she is? What small coffee shop owner do you know does not personally make or serve the coffee on a regular basis? The only way not to take your original post in bad faith is to not understand your meaning.




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