That's all of them.

vrganj · 2026-09-11T09:10:39

Maybe this war will change that?

toasty228 · 2026-09-11T09:12:24

Unless you're ready to give up on a lot of convenience this is just not happening.

vrganj · 2026-09-11T09:19:28

Hmm, I think for me personally the only thing I'd need to change is the heating in my apartment and I'm already planning to invest in a heat pump.

lazyasciiart · 2026-09-11T09:45:21

For you personally, I'm guessing your lifestyle depends very heavily on everyone in the apartments and buildings around you, and the grocery stores that supply you, and the roads that they move goods over, and the materials they manufacture in order to distribute power and water and collect sewage....so unless all of them have transitioned, I think you're overestimating your resilience to the loss of fossil fuels.

toasty228 · 2026-09-11T10:52:26

I'd wager 90% of things you own and do wouldn't exist without fossil fuels, including your heat pump and your apartment

xienze · 2026-09-11T09:44:15

Yes, the things that affect your lifestyle w.r.t. oil are contained to just you and your apartment.

vrganj · 2026-09-11T09:51:35

Instead of a sarcastic swipe, you could try making an actual argument and tell me how I would personally be affected.

toasty228 · 2026-09-11T10:54:04

Most clothes, food, medicine, every bit of plastic you own, the tools used to make your heat pump, the rebar in your apartment walls, etc. none of this exists without fossil fuel, or at least not at this price/scale

seb1204 · 2026-09-11T12:40:40

You are not wrong, but there is no reason to assume that things can't change. A heat pump irrespective of the material it's made of will be better than a gas heater over its life.

toasty228 · 2026-09-11T16:27:38

> You are not wrong, but there is no reason to assume that things can't change.

No reason to assume that we can change either. 99.99% of progress we enjoy today came from burning non renewable shit, if you think we can change paradigm while keeping all our cheap convenience and technologies I think you're making a bigger bet than I am

xienze · 2026-09-11T10:48:02

Well let's start with goods and services being more expensive?

seb1204 · 2026-09-11T12:42:42

I think this war has resulted in some speed increases in some changes, e.g. ev adoption, electric trucks. Still lots to do