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Surely you'd also have to ban phones and other devices with microphones? All these devices can trivially be set up to record, so if your goal is full security, you should be a no phones workplace.
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Given how much people tend to get distracted by their phones, I am surprised most workplaces do not have a phone ban.

Already do that in some situations.

The watches have had a microphone for ages haven’t they?

Why does this feature change things? Unless it can’t be turned off?


Yeah but it's pretty obvious when someone has one recording. Now it's not. And it's impossible to tell which version of the watch people have.

My device has no microphone. Promise.

How would you verify?


It’s the other way around - for secure environments there is an approved device list. If your device is not on that list, it does not go in.

There is also an approved human list. And the approved humans carry responsibility and consequence when going into the space.


My device is listed model XYZ. Promise.

How would you verify?


Look at it.

This is the part where you repeat the same comment and substitute in modifying the software, opening the device and putting in listening hardware, putting a microphone under your skin, attaching a microcontroller to their outside walls to analyze vibration patterns, etc. Luckily, the world doesn't operate on pedantry. They care about removing 99% of attack vectors, the remaining 1% is covered by you being on the line. If your office permits outside recording hardware, someone 'forgetting' that their device was recording is a mishap. But if it only approves certain devices and finds out you did James Bond-level gadgetry to circumvent their measures, guess what image that'll paint on you.


> But if it only approves certain devices and finds out

I was thinking more of the cases it doesn't find out. 1% fail can be quite a lot.


Some services offer modified devices without a camera or mic for high-security environments. https://www.gadgetreview.com/the-iphone-with-no-camera-and-w...

I imagine this is why Apple has kept the mic array and camera as separate removeable components in their devices when pretty much everything else is integrated.


I have not readded those components. Promise.

How would you verify?


If it’s an Apple device, it’s pretty easy to verify, if you’re not getting into the realm of spycraft. Open the stock recording app from the store and try to record after verifying the preferences allow recording. This is sufficient for catching bad actors who don’t have immense resources behind them. Even easier if it’s a managed device.

If you’re worried about legit espionage, you hold the meeting or do the work in a SCIF, zero devices go in or out period, metal detectors and patdowns on both entry and exit.


So to enforce "to ban phones and other devices with microphones" you'd require the user hand over this phone and you grant access to operate it. I can imagine difficulties.

> If you’re worried about legit espionage, you hold the meeting or do the work in a SCIF, zero devices go in or out period

Well the problem with that is it would bar required phones and other devices.


Many workplaces already require MDM for devices. Some don’t allow unmanaged onsite devices at all. It just depends on the sensitivity of the work. Maybe you haven’t been onsite at a defense contractor or a large financial firm, it can get very restrictive and you basically sign over a lot of your rights to work there.

> Well the problem with that is it would bar required phones and other devices.

That’s the point. Nothing goes in or out except through tightly controlled channels. SCIFs aren’t theoretical, they are in frequent use especially for anyone touching classified info. Large enterprises sometimes use similar facilities as needed for highly sensitive meetings where they can’t afford for anything to be leaked.


Sure, but we're discussing "the office". I can imagine this ban workplaces that aren't highly security concious.

I imagine that some workplaces will have to become more security conscious, and others (in two-party states) will have to make it clear to employees that recording without permission from others is illegal and the company will both sue and file charges.



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