On: Rock band Muse lose social media handles to Meta’s new AI tool

[amazingamazing]

You base this off what? We really live in a post truth society where innocent asks for evidence supporting a claim are discouraged.

I am not saying it stolen, merely asking if there is any proof it was bought. And no, “oCcAms rAZOr” is not evidence.

[csallen → amazingamazing]

This comment and others like it are wild to me.

Since when was the default to assume malicious activity and victimization, and then to ask for proof otherwise? Obviously we should do the reverse. There should be evidence of theft rather than assuming theft as the baseline.

For starters, if the band's handles were taken non-consensually, then the least we should expect is a public complaint from said band.

This is doubly true in a world where social media handles are routinely bought, sold, and traded. And triply true where the supposed victim of this crime is an incredibly popular group of people with an extremely massive platform, and it's 99.9999% likely that Meta knew this going in.

[lrvick → csallen]

When a company is known for being malicious by default, to the point of knowingly covering up their ongoing and extensive contributions to teen suicides, it is not unreasonable for people to expect they would steal social media accounts to suit their interests.

They are pure unadulterated evil. They are guilty until proven innocent at this point.

[csallen → lrvick]

I disagree, this is an unreasonable and almost certainly incorrect thing to assume happened in this case.

The fact that one hates XYZ is not a good reason to turn one's brain off and lose the ability to think rationally about XYZ.

In fact, I would argue that there's never a good reason to turn one's brain off and lose the ability to think even moderately intelligently.

[lrvick → csallen]

I am agreeing it is unlikely it was actually malicious, but it is Meta and they deserve no charity. If it is even a small possibility they did the evil thing, we should all operate on the assumption they did the evil thing anyway until proven innocent.

I hope all the non charitable assumptions they deserve snowball enough to hurt them.

May their stock price burn in hell.

[csallen → lrvick]

I really really really really REALLY don't like this way of thinking, and I hope that fewer and fewer people adopt it.

[snapetom → lrvick]

Good lord. Please use logic and Occam's Razor this.

Muse is a platinum album winning band that's got 10 albums over 20 years. If this was stolen, they (and their label) would be raising hell.

[thesmtsolver2 → lrvick]

That’s not how either logic or justice work.

[nosioptar → csallen]

It became the default due to how Facebook behaves. If facebook employees even occasionally acted like human beings with an ounce of decency, it might be worth not assuming they're evil sacks of shit.

[bradly → amazingamazing]

This is from an app the was also named Muse:

> An opportunity came up regarding the Muse name and trademarks. These have now been sold, so I need to move the app to a new name. Nothing else about the company, the app, your account, or your data has changed.

From https://allume.com/allume-faq/

[Waterluvian → amazingamazing]

Probably nothing. But Meta throwing a boatload of money at Muse is probably cheaper and easier than being evil about it.

The problem is, it’s Meta. And like the scorpion said to the frog, “I can’t help it. It’s my nature.”

[rconti → amazingamazing]

The fact that the band changed their handles months ago and haven't complained? Occam's razor, man.

[lazyasciiart → amazingamazing]

Knowing that people are willing to exchange social handles for money.

[edoceo → lazyasciiart]

Many times that's against the TOS? And the names/handles belong to the site not the user anyway. I've seen these deals happen too.

[vmg12 → amazingamazing]

my reason for believing they were paid is that the band has not been making a stink about it

[sippingabonedry → amazingamazing]

Well in a decent society you can't take things that aren't yours.

Nobody using Muse the tool knows or gives a fuck who Muse the band is, the band itself is twice their age.

At 32 years a band is reaching Spinal Tap stage and they could probably use the cash. Occam's razor and all that.

[csallen → sippingabonedry]

> Nobody using Muse the tool knows or gives a fuck who Muse the band is, the band itself is twice their age.

Muse is incredibly popular. They're in the middle of a tour right now, too. Just saw them live two weekends ago. I'm sure there are tons of people who both listen to Muse and will use Muse the AI tool. I'm sure that's true for many of the AI tool's creators, too.

[stuaxo → sippingabonedry]

Muse the tool will have been forgotten in a few years and Muse the band will carry on.

I'm sure more people know the band than the tool - I've only heard of it through here and have no desire to learn more.

Makes sense they take the money, they can probably buy back the site in a few years.

Muse is pretty popular, 30 million album sales is not too bad.

[nosioptar → sippingabonedry]

I listened to the Beatles growing up, despite them being much more thab twice my age.

I have younger relatives that love Muse (and Spinal Tap).

Before today, I'd never heard of the muse app that chanhed it's name.

[loeg → nosioptar]

> Before today, I'd never heard of the muse app

It only launched two days ago, so.

[sippingabonedry → nosioptar]

Then you would know about the trademark beef the Beatles had with Apple for years.

[nzeid → sippingabonedry]

Talk about sour grapes. Muse remains ridiculously popular and I will bet my bank account that there are more Muse fans than slop enthusiasts.

[mattgreenrocks → nzeid]

The irony of a highly talented band that have been actually doing the work for over twenty years being pushed aside to make room for Meta's model that promises you won't have to actually do the work.