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It sounds to me like something that's quite dangerious. Maybe it helps people with narcolepsy but maybe it will be another thing people abuse like amphetamines?


It doesn't matter what it is, people somewhere will abuse it. Maybe doesn't need to be anywhere near the subject.


Reminds me of a discussion about how cyber implants would bring upon cyberpunk - a person who needs an implant asks themselves: What if I use my implant this way…


Modafinil is available for ages, acts close to this (it's mentioned in the article), and I don't hear of people abusing it.


It gets abused by people who just want to stay awake, but not in the sense of being a party drug. For example, by students, drivers, security officers, and politicians.


It promotes wakefulness and (allegedly) concentration. It's not a magic or amphetamines, not sure how is that an "abuse"?

Do people drinking coffee in the morning *abuse* it?


Coffee isn't a Schedule IV controlled substance in the US. I'm using a pretty strict definition of abuse, which is just using medication outside of its indications, or when it isn't prescribed to you.


Modafinil is abused as a smart drug by students, entrepreneurs, stock market traders etc

Same people who use adderall for work.


Are you saying people are using Adderall AND Modafinil at the same time?

That'd be either exceedingly rare or borderline unwise.

I'd love to see some actual forums or papers about that because this seems very unusual given the partly overlapping effect but significantly different paths.


It's an OR not an AND

Whatever is available currently.

"People who use adderall for work" is a generalization, for example stock traders at Wall Street are famous for doing cocaine, taking amphetamines for work and possibly every smart drug, including modafinil.

But they won't take them all at the same time because then they get too high to work.


Eh, you don't get "high" on modafinil. Adderall or other amphetamines used in therapeutic doses (or even above that) don't make user "get high".

Modafinil is extremely easy and cheap to get for anyone with one eye and one working finger, Adderall a tiny bit harder but easy for a "trader".

"Possibly every smart drug, including modafinil" is just many guesses mixed up, nothing to actually discuss with. I'll stop wasting electrons here, you do you.


Stop wasting electrons with replying then? If my answer is pointless your is even more.


I don't know of anyone using it in the first place...


Apparently it's used by about 10% of UK university students, according to a survey:

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40979-024-00174-3

I remember there being kind of a burst of articles about it on HN about ten or fifteen years ago, with a lot of commenters talking about their use of it.


> The Prolific advert stated that participants were being sought for an anonymous survey on their views on the use of modafinil as a cognitive enhancer by UK university students.

Textbook case of "how do we select the most number of people who would say yes" ism. People who are taking modafinil and have a strong opinion about it.

If I'm a student I would never click on that ad in the first place if I have never heard of modafinil (like most people haven't), because the survey is about something I don't know. And if I vaguely heard of it and click, there's a friendly awareness page and quiz right at the start about the thing and its side effects that says I won't get paid if I don't answer correctly, what are the chances I'll continue wasting my time?


That's okay, they're elsewhere.


I'm sure all 12 of them are.


looks like potential for abuse is low - people with normal orexin activity could even experience diminished capacity by these drugs




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