On: US battery manufacturing output continues to break records

[hnthrow0287345]

Cheaper labor, for sure

[riskd → hnthrow0287345]

Everything and anything that China does better than the west: It must be cheap labor.

[hnthrow0287345 → riskd]

It's not the only thing, but it's a big one

[defrost → hnthrow0287345]

The "dark" EV plants making cars aren't using any labour, let alone cheap labour.

There's also that thing that made China what it is today - the USofA using China for cheap labour and a place to outsource all the dirty parts of high consumption.

China's moved on, US perceptions haven't.

[nixon_why69 → defrost]

The perception gap is the assumption that cheap means dumb or low-quality.

Those dark EV plants were designed and built by engineers and technicians working 996 for cheap on an hourly basis.

[defrost → nixon_why69]

And this is why the US doesn't have fully automated parts in drive out EV factories?

[nixon_why69 → defrost]

The US doesn't have those because we're not even trying.

China is capable of it due to the absolutely brutal grinding work culture. They're not superhuman, it's not Tony Stark building the Iron Man suit in an evening, they're smart and work extremely hard.

[pertymcpert → hnthrow0287345]

Most of the cost of batteries is in labor? So why not outsource them out of China where labor is quite expensive vs developing countries?

[handle584 → pertymcpert]

Because no one in their right mind will work the Chinese 996-esque schedule in the 21st century, except the Chinese?

They are actually importing Chinese workers to their Brazil factory, leading to the slave labor expose by Brazilian authorities [0]. They have the same trouble recruiting in Thailand, where workers have functioning unions and enjoy modern working rights, instead of 19th-early 20th century Industrial Revolution type stuff.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BYD_Brazil_working_conditions_...

[warunsl → pertymcpert]

Labor is expensive in China?

[Yiin → warunsl]

now yes, it's no longer 2005