On: Kimi K2.7-Code: open-source coding model with better token efficiency

[343rwerfd]

I think any new model not demonstrably maybe 20-30% over Deepseek v4 capabilities priced over the price per token of Deepseek is almost automatically deprecated as low use model (maybe for Planning).

[0xbadcafebee → 343rwerfd]

DeepSeek v4 Pro is not actually that good a model compared to GLM 5.1 and Kimi K2.6. It's an okay coder/thinker for the price.

[bel8 → 0xbadcafebee]

How so? In my experience trying these models using opencode Go, DeepSeek is superior to GLM 5.1.

If anything, DS4 has 1 million context window, while GLM 5.1 has 200K.

There are also benchmarks comparing the two: https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/comparisons/deepseek-v4...

[giancarlostoro → 343rwerfd]

Is Deepseek just eating cost or are people able to host their open models for comparable costs?

[psittacus → giancarlostoro]

If openrouter is to be trusted, the cheapest offers that are not from Deepseek itself are:

- twice as expensive on the output (1.52 vs 0.87)

- six times as expensive on the input (0.33 vs 0.05)

https://openrouter.ai/deepseek/deepseek-v4-pro?sort=price#pr...

[trollbridge → giancarlostoro]

Other people are hosting it in the same order of magnitude. Xioami recently matched DeepSeek’s pricing.

[natrys → giancarlostoro]

These things enormously benefit from economies of scale. I am fairly certain their margins might be low but they don't actually sell API at loss, however that doesn't mean your cost footprint would be anywhere as low.

[re-thc → giancarlostoro]

They focused on caching and other optimizations.

[rsanek → giancarlostoro]

Likely CCP-subsidized