On: Upstream vendors and why they can be harmful

[gillianseed]

Thanks for the lwn link, it really helped to put things in a larger perspective. And I can't help but feel that Gnome is being used here to enforce systemd dependancy for reasons other than purely practical..

I think systemd is currently the best init system when it comes to potential, however I don't like how it 'swallows' other core components like udev as I think that might have a negative impact on possible alternatives being developed.

I think systemd should compete on it's merits and not by what seems like it becoming a dependency as part of an agenda rather than a practical necessity.

[varjag → gillianseed]

Systemd depends on an httpd. It simply can't be the system with the best potential, I refuse to believe it.

[darklajid → varjag]

Which version? And are you talking about a hard dependency or a recommendation / something optional?

Here:

  pacman -Si systemd
  Repository     : core
  Name           : systemd
  Version        : 195-2
  URL            : http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd
  Licenses       : GPL2  LGPL2.1  MIT
  Groups         : None
  Provides       : libsystemd=195  systemd-tools=195  udev=195
  Depends On     : acl  bash  dbus-core  glib2  kbd  kmod  hwids  libcap
                   libgcrypt  pam  util-linux  xz
  Optional Deps  : initscripts: legacy support for /etc/rc.conf
                   python: systemd library bindings
                   python2-cairo: systemd-analyze
                   python2-dbus: systemd-analyze
                   systemd-sysvcompat: symlink package to provide sysvinit
                   binaries
                   cryptsetup: required for encrypted block devices
                   quota-tools: kernel-level quota management

[X-Istence → darklajid]

Since it was already answered, I'll just link there:

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4772467

It is an configurable item for when you configure systemd.

[varjag → darklajid]

Good, they fixed it then.

http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.devel/1690...

[LeonidasXIV → varjag]

I use systemd without having installed a httpd. Now theres an error somwhere in your post.

[batgaijin → varjag]

could you expand on that?

[rwmj → batgaijin]

It's a long and rather sad story, but since systemd started to do its own logging (using a binary format), it can optionally now link to a micro HTTP server so that you can connect to the journal on localhost in order to read these logs (http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/tree/configure.a...).

I won't offer any opinions on whether this is good or bad, simply state that's what happened.