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Citation needed, bad faith suspected.

Even adjusted for maternity and career entry/exit differences, the gender pay gap is still big and real. And while there is overlap and outliers, many more women-dominated industries are at lower pay segments (and with fewer benefits) than industries dominated by men.



> the gender pay gap is still big and real

Not that big however if you control for line of work (which industry), education, prior experience, and part-time vs. full-time employment.


Also worth noting that several studies have shown pay differentials to be highly correlated with women being less likely to negotiate compensation or ask for less.

https://www.nber.org/digest/apr13/do-women-avoid-salary-nego...


Although newer studies seem to show that this is perhaps no longer such a big factor.

https://vcresearch.berkeley.edu/news/new-research-shatters-o...


How about adjusted for people who are welding things underwater or throwing 25 kilo garbage bins into a truck?


Thanks for being a big strong tall sexy garbage welder man from Europe commenting on an US specific article.

When women put on scuba gear or touch a arc welder their ovaries explode, killing them instantly.

55lbs also is well known to instantly disable women who do, in fact, labor in physical jobs.

The moment a child turns 7 and reaches that weight, women lose the ability to move the child at all, leading to tragic outcomes.

In all seriousness, just because a certain job is socialized a certain way, doesn't imply a fundamental lack of ability.

Being the only woman on a certain kind of male team sucks so so much more than having to put on scuba gear or lifting something heavy.


This isn't the best way to use HN.

> Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously;

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html


Do you think your comment was any of those things?

Why are you free from the bounds of courtesy, but fall back on them the moment someone responds in kind?

Do you really believe that women cannot arc weld? Do you really believe that women cannot scuba dive? Do you really believe that women cannot lift 25kg or take out the trash?

If you do, then it's rather unkind and incurious to cast half of the human population as so fundamentally incapable, and you should bring evidence to support your assertion.

If you don't actually believe it, then the substance of your comment is unkind snark, no?

Your original comment is just a warmed-over version of "women wouldn't last a day in a real man job"

We've been hearing that repeated ad infinitum as women have continued to prove the assertion wrong.

For the record though, I don't think anyone should do a job that has a 1/15 fatality rate. Men shouldn't be cannon fodder either.


> Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html


I can't imagine a good faith interpretation of 'women can't do physical labour'. A failing on my part I'm sure. do you have one?


I didn't say anything like that.


Who still lifts garbage cans into a truck, male or female?

It's been cab and camera operated hydraulic lifts on wheelie bins for decades here.


Uh, anywhere around me in the US.


Well that's kind of sad.

Next you'll be telling me that male US farmers roll up several thousand yards of fencing by hand to move it rather than have female jillaroos spool it up on a hydraulic spindle.


Underwater welding does pay extremely well. But to break into that field needs a commercial diving license and lots of time/skill at saturation diving. Basically, it is easier to train a diver to weld than it is to teach a welder to be a commercial diver. Many (US) entrants are ex-SEAL. There's about 20-25k such people worldwide and the death rate is about 1 in 15. Career ending injuries are about the same. If you need nightmare fuel: "Byford Dolphin".


Is this even relevant to their post?

The article is pretty clear, Women are getting most of the new jobs because they're in fields that Men largely don't try to enter (ex. Teaching).

Like whats the big initiative to increase the amount of Women with a Masters of Education? I've heard of a bunch for STEM but Men still dominate that field but that field is growing slower than other Women dominated ones so it's a non-sequitor.




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