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Google Free Zone - Share and search on your phone with no data charges (google.com.ph)
58 points by xtimesninety on Nov 9, 2012 | hide | past | favorite | 33 comments


My first thought was that it sounded like a walled garden, basically AOL for the mobile age, but then I saw this:

When you click on a link in the search results page, you don’t pay anything. If you click on a link after this, you will need to pay for this data usage (but don’t worry, before you are charged, you will see a warning page with the option to sign up for a data plan if you want.) So for example, if you click on a search link to a Wikipedia article, you won’t pay anything. But if you click on a link within the article, you will be charged for the data costs incurred loading that link.

That part is a really interesting. As the old saying goes, the first hit is always free! It's freemium for data plans.

I wonder if the phone operators are keen on this because it's a way to get people who were previously hesistant onto data plans.


Currently, this is only offered by one mobile phone operator, and it's in the Philippines:

https://support.google.com/websearch/bin/answer.py?hl=en&...


Got this via SMS from Globe Telecom (PH): "Make sure that there are no running applications connecting to the internet when using the service to avoid incurring data charges"

Tried it in the Philippines and it works well. One possible problem here is that for smartphones, users may be charged unexpectedly because background apps that access the net. There should be a separate APN for Free Zone use so users are sure they are not charged for normal data rates. I don't think users will use this if they are uncertain that it is totally free.


Agree. They should use different APN.

Hope Smart would support it also


I've got to say, from the headline I was expecting the exact opposite of what this product turned out to be.


Agreed, it's a terribly ambiguous name. Rather than "Google Free-Zone" (which is read as "Google-Free Zone"), it should be a "Free Google Zone."


In the linked page all references are "Free Zone powered by Google".


Ah, that just got updated.


*I updated the title to be more clear :)


I thought it was a Bing thing at first.


People celebrating things like this is how net neutrality will die.


Exactly. Many people and companies (including Google) have fought tooth-and-nail to stop scenarios similar to this on the wired space when the telco's wanted to make websites pay for premium access from their users. And now Google is offering to foot the bill for Free Zone users?


Is Google really offering to foot the bill here? I don't see anywhere that says this is sponsored/paid for by Google, although maybe I missed it.

It seems like the mobile carriers are footing the bill for this one. Or, for now, one mobile carrier in the Philippines. It looked like it still costs money for 99.5% of all mobile internet users.


What would motivate the carrier to foot the bill for access to a single domain if not some kind of sweetheart deal?

I think this bodes very badly for the internet. We need to maintain a model where:

1) I pay for access 2) I access whatever sites I want

If anyone but me pays for my access, they're going to want to make back room deals, make favored sites faster, make sites they don't like inaccessible, and generally destroy the level playing field of the internet.

This is a first step. "Let's search for that on DuckDuckGo." "No, that costs money. Google is free." Boom, innovation stamped out.


Facebook has had this for a while now. You can go to 0.facebook.com from a supported carrier for free access.



What are the implications for Free Zone users, Google, the carriers, advertisers, websites, and phone OEM’s?

1. Free Zone users can access their favorite Google communication tool (G+ / Gmail) and search. 2. Google gets to serve its ads on all these properties, apart from valuable usage data and improving its products (the more people search on Google, the better its results, etc). 3. Carriers have two obvious benefits – acquisition and/or retention of price sensitive users seeking free access to G+/Gmail/Google Search and acquiring users for data plans. Another benefit could be revenue sharing for lead generation via Google’s ads. The wild card with the carriers is to launch sponsored browsing as a product – where anyone could sponsor access to one/more web services. 4. Advertisers have a compelling incentive to allocate budgets for Google’s Ad Words product. 5. SEO wars will be taken to a new level. 6. The days of feature phones with no internet access could be numbered. In the optimistic (for Google) scenario, Free Zone will increase demand for low end internet enabled phones. And OEM’s will gleefully comply.

Note - Extracted from my blog: http://u2697.wordpress.com/2012/11/08/sponsored-browsing-and...


There's a full page that describes a service that may be relevant to everyone, but nowhere in the page does it say which 1% of the planet it applies to.

If you mean "specific operators in one country", then name them.

If you saying "mobile operators" while meaning "<1% of all mobile operators" - that is simply lying. Well, 99% lying and 1% truth.


It sucks that this is just offered in the Philippines. I hope it catches on in other parts of the world.


I don't. We need cheaper internet access, not subsidized content by providers.


Both of those would not do any harm as well.


The name for the service is very unfortunate one. II thought it's some kind of anti-Google campaign.


That's one of the few cases where getting pedantic about the hyphen (or, in this case, lack of it) solves ambiguity.


This could be a nice way to help people save money on data usage, but there are obvious problems beyond the fact that it's only available in the Philippines:

1. The offering is carrier specific and the language suggests that even if this were expanded to other countries, you can only use it from home. 2. Two-factor authentication isn't supported, which most of us are probably using. 3. You may be getting charged for data by services running in the background.

And, of course, the expanding concept of free access to certain sites only serves to help make people think that sort of thing should be ok.


Something similar to this has been available in Saudi Arabia for quite some time now. It's a subscription based access to google services with no data caps. http://www.mobily.com.sa/wps/portal/personal/mobily-connect/...


The one thing, and to my mind, the most important point that is not addressed in the FAQ is "How does this work"? Presumably Google must have some arangement with the mobile carriers?


How does this work? Philippine users accessing this URL don't get charged at all, regardless of their data plan? If so, does Google pick up the tab?


with the amount of stuff you can get from Google Now (or it can get for you), this makes it way more useful


It's only offered in Philippines...


I'd imagine this will expand, as Facebook Zero has (same idea, but free Facebook access instead).


Yes definitely


An IP-over-Gmail tunnel, anyone?


great




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