On: Which comes first, the product or the marketing?

[aneesh]

Seth, the marketer says: "If someone comes to you with a 'great' product that just needs some marketing, the game is probably already over."

The hacker says: "If someone comes to you with a 'great' marketing plan that just needs a product, the game is probably already over."

Can we stop taking entire disciplines for granted, and acknowledge the fact that all ventures need to focus on both these aspects? (to varying degrees, of course)

[brlewis → aneesh]

There's an element of truth to what Seth said. Sometimes a great product is too early -- it won't be able to achieve product/market fit until years later. But the untruth in what Seth said is that sometimes you can't understand the market for a product until you put the product out there.