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Illegal immigration is a crime. So is jay walking and software piracy and murder. There’s a lot of nuance to be had here in how big of a deal it is and how people who do the deed are treated.

It’s always felt weird though that it’s become taboo to call it a crime, but maybe that’s just me.





The issue is that it is illegal AND a nontrivial part of the electorate wants it enforced.

The “let’s all step back and consider my side’s view of this” isn’t really relevant after our side loses elections. If the will of the people is to start enforcing jay-walking, for better or worse, we’re going to see a lot of jay-walking enforcement.


The vast majority of undocumented immigrants arrived legally and are visa overstays, which is NOT a criminal violation but rather a civil violation.

For most of America's history it wasn't even illegal to enter the US without prior authorization. The law that made it a crime to enter the US without authorization (8 U.S.C. § 1325) was specifically created in the 20's to restrict immigration by race. And the violent enforcement of this law has really only ramped up in the last few decades.

It is very strange to see many people in the US (and in this thread) accept the current enforcement framework as simply a set of static rules that just happen to be here, and not a relatively recent phenomenon that was enacted and enforced for a project of racial prejudice.


I think it's more that something being a crime doesn't make it immoral, and something being a crime doesn't mean it should continue to be.

I do not think most illegal immigration should be considered a crime. That's my position. Moralizing about it by saying "well these people are CRIMINALS" because they crossed an imaginary line on a map is odious to me.


I guess I don’t have a huge association with calling someone a CRIMINAL as a big deal. Like I speed on the highway every day, I’m a criminal too. I don’t really feel like I’m doing anything wrong if I drive safe and there’s no traffic near me. If I got a ticket though I did the deed and so be it. It’s not some black and white, “you’re a criminal so you’re evil” thing for me at all. The punishment should fit the crime.



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