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Blue Origin has not sent a rocket to mars in the sense that SpaceX wishes to send Starships to mars. They have sent a probe. SpaceX has launched probes to far further celestial bodies than Mars.




Starship will never go to Mars. It's very unlikely it will go to the Moon.

I have said this for years. Starship will eventually go to orbit, it MIGHT go a few times to the Moon. It will lucky if it ever makes it to Mars.

More than happy to be proven wrong. I mean they are still progressing but it is just a case of figuring out how long their runway is (economics).


Can you provide your logic for this conclusion?

Anyone who is paying attention knows that Starship is mostly going to be a launch vehicle for Starlink. It's very unlikely that the upper stage will ever support external payloads.

Why wouldn't they make it for external payload if they get the cost per kg lower than F9? Running starship only is going to be cheaper than running both rockets, except if the economics of starship are worse (in which case, it would not be used for starlink either).

Cmon. Don’t kill my dream. I dream of Elon musk flying to Mars. And staying there.

Oops. Earth's space connection to X just went down. We expect service to resume in about one martian lifetime.

He hasn't even been to orbit.

i would be sooooooo sad if we get a challenger #2 while sending musk up. depends on if he's the only one on board.

... but alone. We don't want some Expanse-like scenario down the line with fascist part of mankind completely unhinged. Once he is over then colonize all you want.

Have you bet on that on some betting market? I'd like to take that bet.

I have not, but I just checked and the odds for HLS moon landing before 2028 are at 12%.

https://kalshi.com/markets/kxmoon/nasa-lands-on-the-moon/moo...


12% odds for 3 years seems fairly resonable for a manned landing.

Your statement of "Starship will never go to Mars. It's very unlikely it will go to the Moon" which sounds like it includes even unmanned test landnings is a quite different beast.


There are more possible bets on manifold, you do you.

I'm not really a betting man, but given the HLS budget is spent and most of technology is not nearly developed I'd say even an unmanned Moon landing is at least 5 years and $10 billion away and Mars is pure fantasy.


> but given the HLS budget is spent

What does that mean? Starship is basically self-funded by SpaceX and the amount of money they got for the HLS contract is something they blew way past even before the contract, that doesn't make much sense.




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