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You can't make a targeting killing at a supermarket any easier with your car or cleaning products either. Not sure how that changes the calculus. If you want to kill someone with non-gun products, it's very difficult: the evidence being the notably higher number of gun killings over poisonings or deliberate collisions.

With guns, it's literally just a button push kind of UI. That this is controversial is just insane to me. Every 2A nut knows that guns are effective killing machines, that's why they like guns. Yet we end up in these threads anyway watching people try to deny it.



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Please try citing numbers if you want to make a numeric argument. The USA has four times as many guns per capita as Finland. And in fact Finland has a much higher gun death rate that the rest of industrial Europe (about 3-4x that of the UK or Germany, for example), which has fewer guns. Finland is, to be sure, safer than the US, with about half the per-capita-per-gun fatality rate. So sure, you can do better than the US without reducing guns.

But clearly guns are the obviously most important driving variable here, and to argue otherwise is just silly.


> The USA has four times as many guns per capita as Finland

42% of US households have one or more guns. 37% of Finland households have one or more guns. That US collectors are aficionados doesn't seem relevant. Access to guns is similar.

> And in fact Finland has a much higher gun death rate

This is an amazing claim given everything we've talked about. Finland's homicide rate is the same as Germany's, and significantly lower than the UK. Do you understand how catastrophic this is for your very argument?

There are more guns so murderous people use them, but murderous people have other methods otherwise, as seen by the UK having over 40% more murders despite having 1/7th the number of households with guns...




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