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Repealing the CHIPS Act risks US national security (ft.com)
43 points by jhunter1016 6 months ago | hide | past | favorite | 61 comments


Just cancel it, make a new Act with a different name and equal purpose, claim victory. Seems to be the most likely procedure with the current administration.


Easier: Make some trivial amendment to it (does not need to be ratified), and then just start calling it something else.

"It was a disaster, but We Fixed It because I'm your favorite."


Isn't that how they "fixed ACA" last time around? Failed to have the votes to repeal it, so they "saved" it


They got rid of the much hated, terrible, corrupt, illegal Obamacare and replaced it with the much loved and wonderful Affordable Care Act.


Can't tell if trolling


Who me or the politicians who go to town halls and tell their constituents this is what they did (one of the 5 things they did this week perhaps).


This is where we are at. So many people are unaware that ACA is Obamacare. Obamacare evil.


Yeah, I've seen a few videos where people are asked if they want to purge Obamacare, then asked if they support the Affordable Care Act, the reactions are priceless.


Hero John McCain saved it


“Only I can fix it. Tortilla chips (those are gang chips) taking up too much room on the table. Don’t know why you’d stick up for gang chips. Potato chips belong. ”


>Seems to be the most likely procedure with the current administration.

For example?

Also please show that the major current on-going efforts, like ongoing negotiations, measures in the border etc, were worked upon as intensive as it is now, in the previous administration.


Trump replaced NAFTA with USMCA during his first term. He claimed it was the best deal ever.

This term, he's claiming the deal is terrible and starting a trade war (which is likely not winnable and probably ends up settling for something approximating NAFTA again).

Which is it? Best deal ever, or crap? He's lying about one.


As part of it, Trump signed the "deal" that had Canada supplying power to 3 states. The same thing he later railed against and wanted to know who could have possibly done it. It was him.


So I searched for "NAFTA USMCA difference" and there are a lot of articles that describe the differences.

I agree that Trump sometimes exaggerate stuff, but that does not mean that there is nothing is there.

I think It is very dishonest to claim that all the current administration is doing is just continuing what the previous ones did, but with changed names.


If we want to play the "whos more dishonest" game, we should probably look at what he said about his own trade agreement years later.


The point of the argument you were replying to was that Trump signed the USMCA in his first term, but it's now saying it's a terrible deal for the US and reason enough to start a trade war with Canada over.

A deal he himself signed.

Trump doesn't just exaggerate. Trump outright lies. Minute by minute.


Even if that is true, that only make him look better. He made a mistake and is now correcting it. Not sure why it is a bad thing.


Trump signed USMCA. Now he claims some idiot did USMCA.


Both facts check out.


> For example?

USMCA


Not sure if you are the same person. But anyway, I cannot read your mind. Please explain your justifications for the claim or please share an article that does it.


USMCA was NAFTA, which Trump was against before and then supported it after the rename. Only the name changed, the treaty did not.



You know how to use Google, right?


That would put a wrench in whatever weird contrarian play that keeps getting OP banned.

I don’t know why I even engaged. Haven’t had my coffee yet.


Why don’t YOU show those things? That would at least be the start of a good faith discussion and not a whataboutism bias tirade.


Show what things?



Public money, public factories?

There is nothing public, just free money for the private sector.


It's strategically important


You could also help defend Taiwan against illegal annexation and then you wouldn't need to have those facilities on-shore.


Bad things happen in war- why risk it? We can both defend Taiwan and build fabs in the US.


Trump supporters tell me Trump isn't aiding China but then everything Trump does has a weird way of aiding China. Why would we repeal the CHIPS act and remove our ability to secure a domestic supply of chips?


> everything Trump does has a weird way of aiding China

This is also why Chinese netizens commonly refer to Trump as 川建國同志 (literally "Nation-Building Comrade Trump").


The US President is motivated entirely by spite and personal benefits vendettas. The only reason to repair the CHIPS act is because it was one of Biden's bigger accomplishments, and Trump can't stand that. That's literally all it is.


Not only spite. Also what his handlers tell him.


Trump's SOTU for reference:

> Your CHIPS Act is a horrible, horrible thing. We give hundreds of billions of dollars and it doesn’t mean a thing. They take our money and they don’t spend it. All that meant to them. We’re giving them no money. All that was important to them was they didn’t want to pay the tariffs. So they came and they’re building. And many other companies are coming. We don’t have to give them money, we just want to protect our businesses and our people, and they will come because they won’t have to pay tariffs if they build in America. So it’s very amazing. You should get rid of the CHIPS Act and whatever’s left over, Mr. Speaker, you should use it to reduce debt or any other reason you want to.


Repealing it requires congress.


pepperidge farm remembers when the same thing could be said of closing departments like Department of Education and USAID lol.


It still can, at least so far. But courts are slow.


> But courts are slow.

You ever heard the thing about how if you throw a frog into a pot of boiling water it'll jump out but if you put it in cold water and slowly turn up the heat it'll cook? That's us. We are cooked.


The boiling frog meme is about social normalization. The courts are not treating this as normal, they just have procedure to follow.


> they just have procedure to follow.

you are dramatically oversimplifying and/or misrepresenting glaring omissions/errors/accomodations of jurisprudence over the last several years. i'm not going to debate you on it - you can read any number of opinions/analyses/exposes on it from educated/scholarly/authoritative people.


I honestly don't feel like anyone feels like the water is heating up slowly. Just sitting here in a coffee shop for an hour, I've overheard about five different conversations about everything the current administration is screwing up, and I had another one at the bus stop this morning. People aren't unaware and they aren't happy.


Yet his approval rating is higher than its ever. There is a segment of the population that seems love the bull in the china shop approach to governance.


It isn't higher than ever, because it's been dropping for a few weeks, as the initial benefit of the doubt honeymoon period has already begun to fade.


What is anyone going to do about it? MAGA house reps have already fulminated impeachment proceedings for a judge who tried to rein in a lawless Trump admin. The US Marshalls are part of the DOJ that Trump has already pwned, so forget about any consequences for the executive branch completely ignoring the judicial branch selectively. With MAGA congressional majorities, we have literally no possibility of checking an overreaching Trump administration. All mechanisms have been subverted already. There will doubtless not be any midterms, and meanwhile HN doesn't want to be political, yet standing up for our republic is now a partisan effort, and it's being cast as disloyalty to a supreme leader, who apparently now embodies the law and government. Research scientists are denied US entry for having Trump-critical conversations on their phone.

The frog is boiling. Dang will say to pipe down and stop screaming, while the frog cries out for its life, because some foolish boss types still persist in the delusion our house speaker persists in: thst they can ride this bucking bronco to work. They cannot. The bronco owns them. Lights out and noting this is considered partisan. What is more radical than harassing our friends and allies and uniting the world against us? But if you let out a peep, it's political. We are supposed to enjoy bowing and scraping to obey our overlords, and insufficient display of joy at being suffocated is now partisan.

It didn't need to be this way. TRUMP has already dismantled much of our republic and yet the articles posted here do not reflect this.

What part of "we are becoming the new nazi state entity" does ycombinator not understand?


> I honestly don't feel like anyone feels like the water is heating up slowly.

that is the entire point of the metaphor/idiom/parable - you do not feel anything - until it's too late - you're dead or in jail or homeless or deported.


No, my point is that everyone feels the water being too hot already because it has happened quickly, not that nobody has noticed it heating up because it has happened too slowly.

It's more like draining the water in the pot and pouring in already-boiling water, than it is like heating it up slowly.


Much of the money has already been spent, the new fabs are already operational slash well into construction, so repealing it now shouldn't do that much damage. But it'll still do some damage, and it's still a stupid move, but hey, them's the times we live in.


Paywalled, so how did it go to the frontpage if most people can't read it?


> if most people can't read it?

By reading the headline


This.

Many HN users don't read the articles. Some are even unapologetic about it, explicitly admitting that they're here only for the comments.


Some of us rarely read the articles. They're often, frankly, a waste of time. And it's hard to tell just by the headline whether it's worth reading or not. The comments often tell me whether the article is worth reading faster than the article would. (And some of the time the article is paywalled, and some of the time it's a video, which makes it harder to skim.)

And often I learn more from the comments than I would from the article.


See the archive.is link that someone also provides.


Most paywalls are easy to bypass. Most HN readers know this.

Some of us also have FT subscriptions though.

That'd be an interesting poll. What % of HN readers (poll participants) subscribe to the big paywalled story sources? NYT, FT, The Economist, ...


Clicking the link hits a paywall, but copy-pasting it gets me the article.


Was national security impaired four years ago before the CHIPS Act?

That said I like the CHIPS Act in principle. We should have real industrial policy.


Yes? Because during COVID, the supply of microchips became a really big issue.

I bought a 2024 Prius last year in Feb and didn't get my second key fob until this year, Feb, because of supply chain issues with microchips.

Now imagine an actual war where China takes Taiwan.


Yes. Not been able to build the things required for national security within your own boarders represents a risk to national security.

Having them all manufactured at the same place, a risk to national security. Having a single supplier, a risk to national security. Day of the week ending in y, a risk to national security.


I mean, that was the theory of passing the bill, yes. You can question that theory, but it's not like some new explanation for the purpose of the law.




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