As part of lawful intercept, they can't encrypt the traffic and then send the NSA the encrypted traffic. They have to send the unencrypted traffic. Or they go to jail.
you've missed the point. if it is e2ee, then there's nothing but noise going down that lawful intercept. the ISP upheld their obligation, yet nosy bitches get nothing.
okay. so let me break it down further. you and i exchange messages via e2ee app. i text you, the app encrypts it, then sends it down the wire. the TLA lawful intercepts that data, but it is just random noise because it is encrypted. your app finally receives the e2ee data, decrypts it, shows you the message.
the data in transit is encrypted beyond anything the ISP has control over, so if the ISP provides lawful intercept they have fulfilled their obligation to the TLA because they let them see the data. it's not the ISP's fault that you and I encrypted the data. this isn't TLS encryption.
if that's not clear enough, then someone else will have to step in as I have taken as far as I can
So let me break it down further. The ISP isn't allowed to sell E2EE apps because it would violate its lawful intercept requirement to not encrypt the data it gives to the government. Your E2EE apps have to come from a different company. That's why SMS isn't E2EE.
Are you seriously just trying to be this obtuse? WTF said anything about the ISP selling anything? You use Signal? You use PGP? Who uses anything from an ISP other than their bandwidth? I've never even heard of an ISP having an app let alone selling it that end users would use. Like it must be painful to think up nonsense like this. It'll be a lot less painful if you just think about it like a normal person using apps instead of whatever it is you have in your head. Damn near troll like
yeah? and? so? who does that? if you're concerned about being intercepted and are still using land lines, then you're really not concerned. we learned that in the 80s. if you're using SMS, you're also not really concerned. friends don't let friends use unencrypted.
I exclusively call landlines from my phone, at least using "actual" phone calls; businesses, to be precise.
For all person-to-person calls, my family and friends have long switched to FaceTime and WhatsApp, which are both encrypted. Why would I pay per minute for a less secure and lower fidelity (HD voice usually does not work internationally) channel?
That said, I really would prefer if the POTS were better secured, given that SSNs and payment card numbers are transmitted over it all the time.
