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Safari and Firefox are capable web browsers. Where do people get this outlandish take from?


Capable is a interesting word choice. Capable means something meets a bare minimum for success. A and B are great. C is fantastic. D is arguably first class. E is capable. When making a free choice, I want the best one, so any lackluster review feels like one of those southern backhanded compliments, getting the message across without insulting it in polite company. Capable perfectly describes my feelings towards Firefox and Safari.


Seeing that Safari doesn’t drain my battery on my laptop and it doesn’t send my search engine to an adtech company…


It does; Google is the default search in Safari.


I meant browsing history. I don’t care about my search history. Even though these days I use the paid ChatGPT with the web search tool most of the time. Google is becoming more useless every month


Chrome Sync (i.e. saving your history + everything else to the cloud so it syncs to all your devices) is an optional setting. Microsoft Edge has the same thing under another name. Safari does too.


Google also uses your browsing history to create a profile for advertising

https://support.google.com/My-Ad-Center-Help/answer/12155451...

And Apple provides end to end encryption of browsing history so it can’t decrypt your browsing history

https://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2021/03/25/whats-in...

> What’s interesting about the Apple decision is that it appears to explicitly separate browsing history and bookmarks, rather than lumping them into a single take-it-or-leave-it package. Apple doesn’t claim to provide any end-to-end encryption guarantees whatsoever for bookmarks: presumably someone who resets your iCloud account password can get those. But your browsing history is protected in a way that even Apple won’t be able to access, in case the FBI show up with a subpoena.


That's not Chrome's browsing history - that's an ad network, adsense, profiling you, via cookies/ip/digital fingerprinting, across every website that serves it's ads. It's like logging into facebook and saying they can see your browsing history - yes some of it, but it's because they're watching a server they own serve you requests.


The entire idea behind “privacy sandbox” is to create a profile of you for advertising based on your browsing history and the profile is created by Chrome - without being logged in and without cookies.

https://privacysandbox.com/intl/en_us/

More specifically the Topics API

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Topics_API

It’s opposed by both Mozilla and Apple and is only supported by Google/Chrome.


Interesting. So the browser knows your browsing history like every browser does, but it uses it to share some distilled data. Yeah, I definitely don't want that. Looks like I already totally disabled it though, so I'm good I guess.

Privacy and security > Ad privacy

Ad topics: Generates a list of your interests based on your browsing behavior.

Site-suggested ads: Allows advertisers to retarget you based on your interactions.

Ad measurement: Enables advertisers to assess ad performance.

Toggle each of these settings to "Off" to disable them.


Yep.

And I slightly misspoke. I said it was only supported by Chrome. More accurately, it is supported by Chrome and some Chromium based browsers.


Can't speak for Safari, but Firefox has never been anything but a dumpster fire for me. Constant reminders about updates and a UI that slows my computer to a crawl no matter what I do. Yes, I open many tabs and don't use a turbocharged laptop, but the same applies to my Chrome use with next to no problems, so really, fuck you Firefox for not adjusting after decades, as per possible user needs. Chrome seems to manage it, so why can't the Mozilla people with their own expertise and funds?

Many new versions and updates of FF that I've tried have claimed to be much smoother and more efficient, only for the exact same shit to start happening across the years and multiple laptops used.


When was the last time you tried? I have a 2012 Mac mini that runs it like a champ and has done so for a very long time. I only have a handful of plugins but uBlock Origin is one of them.


several times since 2012. The last of these was just last year, on a whimsy in which FF didn't disappoint in by now predictably disappointing.


Either you need to service your computer or configure your Firefox.

I went back to Firefox about 5 years ago and not even once missed Chrome since.


Why should the user need to do that? The browser should automatically configure itself for optimal performance on any reasonable hardware.


Because none of what they talk about is a problem. So the problem may lay on their side. Or they roll on a half-a-decade-old sentiment.


Firefox does, though. There really aren't these wild and crazy speed issues with it at all, even with fresh out of the box defaults.

The only time I've had to touch about:config in the last several years was due to some smartcard related bug caused by an external library, that forced me to tweak firefox's behaviour. Once that bug was resolved, I switched it back.

Firefox being slow is well into the self-perpetuating FUD territory.


Maybe the actual problem is some people having this sentiment.




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