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Yes. What would you put up in the defense of an argument that says it has not risen?





2% in 45 years is a completely meaningless amount. You are technically and pedantically correct, but in the context of the actual conversation being had it is so little as to be irrelevant.

On the graph they shared earlier, 2020 is 44.82%, exactly on the 1960 - 1992 trendline. The 2022 and 2009 dropoffs coincide with major disruptions (don't know about the late-90s one), which almost seems to hint that's the value we should be looking at: +10.57% in 20 years.

2019 was 35.97, and 2022 was 36.26, but we shouldn't use those, we should use the 2020 number? Come on, the 2020 and 2021 numbers are not representative of the overall trend.

Honest question, do expect people to actually believe you're a serious person interested in rational debate with that kind of response?

What Trump / DOGE has proposed or claimed to have cut amounts to far less than $500 billion / year from the budget. Like 1/10th that amount. Yet people are seriously concerned about those cuts. Clearly it's not a reasonable amount, as you would understand if you had any idea of the context of this conversation.


What DOGE has claimed to have cut is a similarly meaningless amount (and likely significantly overinflated), and what's worse, the value we were getting from those expenditures likely greatly exceeds what we were paying for them.

$500bn/yr would be about 15% of the annual budget. That number doesn't even pass a basic sniff test.


2% of US GDP is 500 billion. I don't know what you're confused about. I'm taking numbers linked from the IMF so perhaps you know better? Also it's obviously not a 2% increase over 45 years, it's a nearly 6% increase, so not sure if numbers are your strong suit here. At least you did admit I was correct though, so I don't know what you're really continuing to try argue about. What I wrote originally stands.

I think GP misread what you were saying, and thought you were asserting that DOGE had cut $500B/yr of spending.

(I sympathize; I read it that way myself at first, but realized what you actually meant during a confused re-read.)


2% over 40 years is too small to back up the claim that it is "rising steadily" in any meaningful way.

It's risen almost 6% over 40 years, and you're wrong it's not too small to claim that it's rising.

Rising steadily is what you said. It's really not doing that.

It's funny that you latched onto the mention of the year 1980, because if you used 1982 (or 1983, 1984, 1985...) you'd see that it has gone down. The most recent measurement is lower than it was in the years around 1990, and the measurements before covid hit were also lower than those years.

And I just realized. If you actually want to go back 40 years from the most recent data point, the year to use is... 1982.


> Rising steadily is what you said. It's really not doing that.

It really is.

> It's funny that you latched onto the mention of the year 1980,

Excuse me, I didn't latch onto 1980, crazygringgo nominated that date.

> because if you used 1982 (or 1983, 1984, 1985...) you'd see that it has gone down.

Sure unless you choose a different end point, right?

> The most recent measurement is lower than it was in the years around 1990, and the measurements before covid hit were also lower than those years.

A linear regression from 1990 to 2022 has it trending upward too.


> > Rising steadily is what you said. It's really not doing that.

> It really is.

It was dropping for most of the 1990s, and most of the 2010s.

So it's been rising steadily over the past 45 years...except for about two decades of that time? This isn't what most people call a steady rise.




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