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There was an interesting idea to fix climate change by carbon capture for ~$10bn in a recent Sabine video

>A Big Nuclear Bomb Could Fix Climate Change, Physicist Says https://youtu.be/aGPKpx6pMko

Just put some huge nukes in the basalt at the bottom of the Indian Ocean, it breaks it up so the rock absorbs CO2, job done!

(paper on the idea https://arxiv.org/html/2501.06623v1)



I won't watch that video just right now but I assume the paper is this one:

https://arxiv.org/pdf/2501.06623

And I'll include this colourful quote:

"This is orders of magnitude larger than the largest nuclear explosion ever detonated, so this is not to be taken lightly."

I quickly read through and may have missed it but I do not see any mention of the timescale over which this would work just that it could sequester ~30 years worth of CO2 output.


I'm not convinced about their hand-waved explanation of radiation safety here:

> The long-term effects of global radiation will impact humans and will cause loss of life, but this increased global radiation is “just a drop in the bucket”. Every year, we emit more radiation from coal power plants and we have already detonated over 2000 nuclear devices. Adding one more bomb should have minimal impact on the world.

I don't think "eh, what's one more detonation?" is persuasive when you're talking about a device more than 10x the size of all previous ones put together, being set off in direct contact with the seabed. Most of the fallout from nuclear testing came from the handful of ground burst tests that weren't fully confined, so I'm skeptical that "try to make it a clean fusion design" would actually be enough here. It would be cool if that were solvable though.


> "try to make it a clean fusion design" would actually be enough here

Most of fallout in a "regular" nuclear weapon comes from uranium fission by products and from neutrons activating the surrounding materials. In addition, most thermonuclear (fusion) bombs use natural uranium tamper to contain the fusing hydrogen. This tamper soaks up fusion neutrons and fissions, and that actually produces a significant part of the overall yield.

But that's not the only option. It's possible to use a lead tamper instead, so it won't produce any fission byproducts. The Soviet Tsar Bomba did that, and it resulted in the cleanest nuclear explosion on a per-kiloton-basis.

It's also possible to add a boron neutron absorber around the fusion stage to further limit the amount of fusion neutrons that can create dangerous activated materials.

Of course, even a relatively clean weapon is still going to produce plenty of pollution.


Wouldn't the "surrounding materials" we're worried about here be the rock itself? The Tsar Bomba was proportionately the cleanest nuke ever, but I thought that also relied on it being an air burst. The Sedan test (creating the Sedan crater using a 70%+ clean fusion warhead) released more fallout than any other US test & I thought that was because it was done in the ground at a depth where reaction products could escape. But you're saying with a clean design & boron based neutron absorbing buffer layer, we could limit neutron activation of the surrounding rock? That does sound plausible, although I don't know what it would actually take & I'm doubtful their estimated $10B budget would hold.


> But you're saying with a clean design & boron based neutron absorbing buffer layer, we could limit neutron activation of the surrounding rock?

Yes, but if the bomb is surrounded by a blanket of boron, it will absorb most of the fusion neutrons. Not _all_, but a significant part of them.

The budget is actually not unreasonable. Fusion warhead scaling is easy, especially if you are not worried about practicalities for combat applications. You just keep on adding bigger stages.

And a boron blanket is literally a boron blanket. You can't do any real engineering for it, it's going to become a highly ionized plasma within the first moments of the explosion, held together only by inertia.


You'd get the irradiated rocks either way. The difference is that you avoid some fraction of fission products of the bomb itself if it's fusion fraction is higher.


Why not just use conventional explosives? It doesn't seem to consider the actual marginal benefit of going nuclear.


More bang for the buck? The paper estimates a need for 81 Gt and assuming that's 81,000,000,000 tons of TNT, that's a lot of TNT.


Annual CO2 emissions are around 37 Gt, so making 81 Gt of conventional explosives would be an absurdly large undertaking & somewhat counterproductive due to associated GHG emissions.


Yeah, they do seem to skip over the details a bit. Also I'm a bit skeptical of the $10bn price tag.

I think in practice going straight to a huge megabomb straight off would not be wise but maybe we could try one of our existing spare nukes as a prototype test? Then you'd get more data on how it would work.


Hey! Pinguin doesn't eat baguette!

And there is not much military, it's more about scientists here than military people (about one hundred permanent people, space/climate scientists and biologist). The island is full of basalt yes, like most of the island, and the island is BIG. But if you are gonna nuck a french island, you should ask the French.

And it's the more important French island of the French Southern and Antarctic Lands (after Adélie Land if you count it as an island).

Btw, we should be able to make the bomb ourself.


The Kerguelen Plateau is 1400 miles long so maybe they can choose a bit without baguettes? (wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerguelen_Plateau)


You are right ! Most of the Kerguelen plateau is actually out of the French Maritime Space. That is a good idea.

Reference: https://limitesmaritimes.gouv.fr/thematiques/espaces-maritim...


Russian roulette with planet earth eh?

If the nukes are in the basalt then it is game over. We all reincarnate elsewhere in the universe.

It has to be deeper if you believe the paper.

That "paper" feels like an LLM wrote it.


See, stuff like that is why I don't watch Sabine. She seems to just be shooting for controversy to get her name in front of people. Like when she waded into trans rights debate -- I mean she's a theoretical physicist.


I guess if you are knocking out a video a day then there's going to be a lot of random stuff in there.




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