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s/China/Japan/. You could say the same thing, yet they're rolling ahead with immigration reforms. Really underestimating how fast the human nature can change when you're desperate.





I do say the same thing about Japan (and South Korea). They have similar demographic problems similar to China, just on much smaller scales.

Have you actually looked at those immigration reforms? Japan is making some very limited changes to try and attract a small number of skilled workers. Those people already have options about where to go and Japan is not at the top of anyone's list (a tiny number of Japanophiles excepted). Japan is not opening their borders to take in masses of random poor people to repopulate the country.

https://hir.harvard.edu/improved-immigration-japan/

This is not a serious change of government policy or human nature. Maybe in a decade they'll be desperate enough to make real reforms.


Japan is the leader of robotics technology for a reason - a lot of eggs are going into that basket.

I don't really think failing societies will do what is necessary to reverse the trends - the opposite actually. With decline comes uncertainty and fear and so those that people that remain will entrench themselves and try to prevent "outsiders" from taking advantage of their own population decline.

Like, say if China ends up half of its current housing available in 70 years - opening up to foreigners, really anyone, to buy them and immigrate on the cheap would be smart... but that would mean a society that has just experienced an incredible trauma then turns around to watch half of their world be taken over be optimistic, eager, productive 1st generation immigrants - it is unlikely Han Chinese 3000+ year old culture emerges from such an experience without much change... I'm not sure that would be acceptable to some countries.

I think a lot of places will go down with the ship so to say, or at least want to. I've no doubt half empty county's will attract attention.


You'll see way more non-locals working in konbinis than ever before. If you talk to locals outside of the major metro areas, they're kinda upset, but from what I've gathered, they started to accept the reality somewhat.

Yes, Japan has been making it much easier to immigrate in the recent years, you can ask anyone who lives here, especially recent immigrants. Government has been carving out special exclusions (like truck drivers) when the large businesses can't attract workers.


Yeah... one of the is not like the other tho. Seriously, Japan was the 2nd largest Economy for a long time but far more importantly, Japanese culture is one of the most powerful in the world - everyone under a certain knows who Goku is, Luffy is beloved world over and we all know what it means to run like Naruto.

The world over also knows that Japan is a pretty serious culture, they are like the Germany of Asia and the Koreans and Chinese are pretty serious too. They have several words to define foreigner based on their level of how bad they are or decent...

It's one of the most expensive places in the world, Japanese is also hard and they have a stubborn attachment to using it even for titles of things... I'd not have it easy in Japan.

I'd pick Japan. Every. single. time.

Not all closed to immigrant societies can actually do an about face. That's just reality.

I'd pick


And China... is number 2 right now? There are 1.4B of them. Literally more people than entire continental Europe, North America and Japan combined. I just don't get the idea of looking down on them, when for the past 15 years they've been on a roll. Sure they have problems, but so does every country.

Also, I don't think you realize how much Japanese have hatred towards foreigners. I will go as far as saying Chinese and Americans have more in common than Japanese and Americans.

Anyways, my whole point was clowning a huge economy because of its political ideology is only valid when they keep losing. Right now? It's the opposite. Time will show, I guess.


I almost posted a link here but I think you ought to research the claims that you are making, all of your own volition, bc I think you need to see for yourself - search many sources, you will see.

1.3 Billion people will be less than 700 Million - younger ppl alive today will live to see this transpire. Understanding this is key to getting why Taiwan is so important to be taken this generation.

As a previous comment stated - they have 15 years before they begin to decline and at first the decline will be slow but at some point the majority of people will be so Old that they require care, like assisted living... but they will be the majority of people without the children and grandchildren necessary to replace them, the country's population is projected to be at around half of it current number by 2100.

I can't state enough that reversing such decline is extremely difficult. Now that "we all know" any moves to increase immigration will almost look a denial of reality.

Like I said, I believe that the CCP may have broken their society with that policy - as it seems to be a factual statement that cannot be denied.


Well 1.4B is the official number, but is it accurate? When have Communists ever been truthful about important issues? China has childhood immunization coverage near 100% (which is an impressive accomplishment by itself), but independent analysis of the number of vaccine doses ordered shows that the actual population could be closer to 1.2B. The reality is that the Chinese government treats the raw data as a state secret and won't provide any access to independent researchers so no one knows for sure.

I have never looked down on Chinese people. But their nation has essentially self destructed multiple times over the past several centuries so I won't be surprised if it happens again. When heading over a cliff, political ideology can cause even smart people to keep going straight ahead instead of turning the wheel.




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