On: DeepSeek-R1

[m3kw9]

Yeah it’s a copy of o1 easier than doing SOTA work

[ein0p → m3kw9]

How do you "copy" something like that if OpenAI did not disclose any of the details?

[luma → ein0p]

Use OAI to create synthetic data for your training, which is clearly what they are doing. This is why their models claim to be ChatGPT when asked.

[sangnoir → luma]

xAI did/does the same, but Grok is nowhere near as good. Perhaps a measure of talent is required to "copy" as well as DeepSeek.

[nialv7 → luma]

that's not how this works. o1's thinking trace is hidden, and that's what's valuable here, not the output.

[dcreater → luma]

So? Every other model maker is doing that. Including OAI

There's a lot more to making foundation models and Deepseek are very much punching well above their weight