On: The real motivation behind systemd (2018)

[buddavis_]

The conspiracy I follow is systemd is the result of a bunch of noobs trying to duplicate the Mac experience on linux. Such as the focus on laptop over traditional multi-user systems. And a desire to minimize boot time.

See also, "wayland replaces X" for only the use cases tech bros know about.

[mschuster91 → buddavis_]

> Such as the focus on laptop over traditional multi-user systems.

When was the last time you actually saw a true multi-user system other than large corporate Citrix environments? Computers aren't expensive any more, every employee gets issued a laptop these days.

Developers go where users go, that's it.

[buddavis_ → mschuster91]

There are many multi user systems still in use. Think HPC, universities, places where the security requirements do not allow code / data to be shared by access from a users laptop. Operations vs. Development. Operations is much more likely to be multi-user.

[blueflow → mschuster91]

> When was the last time you actually saw a true multi-user system other than large corporate Citrix environments?

Now. Yes, Employees all do have laptops, but the shared servers are beefy af.

[curt15 → mschuster91]

At least at Google ~10 years ago, the dev laptops were used to SSH into beefy workstations where all the real work gets done.

[darthwalsh → curt15]

~5 years ago, you SSH'ed into your Linux workstation under your desk, or your equivalent VM.

although blaze builds didn't do the real work on your machine, but farmed it it to cloud machines.

[salawat → mschuster91]

Developers are users. Stop forgetting that.

[maxerickson → buddavis_]

It's not a conspiracy when they are more or less open about what their goals are.

[zahlman → maxerickson]

I think GP was trying to be sarcastic. Or else, what exactly is supposed to be bad about trying to minimize boot time?

[buddavis_ → zahlman]

there is a bit of sarcasm in there, but most server and desktop machines stay on all the time. Amortized over 1000 days of uptime, that 30 second boot time is not worth messing with.

[sam_lowry_ → buddavis_]

Microsoft broke suspend to ram with its Modern Standby [1] around 5 years ago. So fast boot times is a thing again )

[1] https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/de...