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wow, hacker news and all these people just "phoning it in"

We really need more folks to hack on their phones and set/spread a good example.

Otherwise "general computing" will be replaced by landlords.

The concept of a landlord may be traced back to the feudal system of manoralism (seignorialism), where a landed estate is owned by a Lord of the Manor...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landlord#History






Perhaps a few more responses now from people who own their data?

There are still a scary few "I use adb" or "I copy the data over MTP"

Sadly, not everything on the phone is visible to those two. IIRC, [MS]MS logs aren't (I might be wrong here though) and if you use Google Authenticator, your OTPs aren't, which I learned the hard, hard way.

I need to root my phone.


Tragically, as you mention, the security restrictions on most apps at this point block filesystem access via adb.

Wild to learn about the OTPs, I'll need to take a look and (likely) rectify that security hole since I manage my backups myself (at enrollment time the keys go in escrow).


My phone is an appliance. I have no more desire to manage my phone than I do my dishwasher.

I sign into my Apple account, pay Apple for more storage and everything gets backed up that’s on my iPhone and iPad.

When I get a new phone, I log in while I’m at the Apple Store, wait for everything to be restored, wipe my old phone and give it back to Apple for a carrier discount or a discount from Apple.

Life is too short to do otherwise. I work with computers 40 hours a week in exchange for money that I then exchange for goods and services.


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