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I've got very mixed feelings about magick, but skimming through the material looks intriguing enough to explore on my own terms. I've definitely gotten value from psychonaut-type explorations with various forms of medicine, but doing this in a self-powered way seems to be a lot more accessible and sustainable.



If it worked, wouldn't practitioners rule the world?


Don't they? The megregores mentioned seem to have taken over the entire world...


No.

If you had a magic gun with unlimited ammo would you rule the world? No.

For the same reason, AGI/ASI is not really a threat to humanity.


Well there's stuff like Bohemian Grove, freemasons and in general if you try to sift the bullshit from the truth you will find most people in power have connections to "cooky shit".

You might say Elon Musk doesn't seem like the type and he's the richest (known) man in the world! But power isn't really about having money. Money can help with power but it will not automatically give you power. A scrawny nerd that got rich quick will not attract supermodels or sway elections at first until he learns to put the money to use towards those goals.

I haven't tried magick personally so can't attest to its effectiveness but I've had periods in my life where a ton of synchronicities happened that blew my mind away so much that I am now convinced the spiritual world is very much real. I just am hesitant to go into magick because it is touted as a tool to get what "you"(ego) want and that doesn't seem wise. Forcing reality to suit your ego's needs even if possible seems bad to me.


Supposedly the CIA was able to get remote viewing to work at significantly above chance in their experiments, but they weren't able to get it to work reliably enough to actually be useful.

And there are... downsides to messing with such forces. There was a cult called Leverage that tried to exploit magick and most of them ended up having psychotic breaks.


> remote viewing

It's called a spy sattelite.


Do you have any sources for this?


Idk about the group, but the CIA FOIA docs were in a recent post here, iirc. I read it in its entirety and it’s basically as it says. Well controlled studies, statistically significant results, not a lot of actionable data from a military perspective.

My take is that either ESP works to some extent, or maybe we want our adversaries to think it does.

OTOH, I’ve seen some shit that I can’t explain except by just making up an explanation that seems more stupid than the paranormal explanation, so I tend on the side of “probably more to reality than we conventionally think”.


Are there any studies out there that managed to replicate their results? Anyone aware of any they could share?


It works quite well, only it takes decades to develop a technology that runs on human minds (rather than silicon.) It takes decades to develop with another “uplifting” you, which you don’t have on account of it being a controlled and coveted field. Those who certainly do run the world through these means are subtle. “Indistinguishable from bullshit or an act of God” subtle. Besides, what can’t you explain away by chance or psychosis?

Minds may be networked, the occult society which moderates this is lawless, immoral, and can hear every thought (and memory) in your head.

This PDF is a funsy lay guide. Psychonaught is how I got started. Power is not so innocent.


I did some dabbling in astral travel when I was in my late teens, and diligently studied Abramelin methods as well as those of Crowley et al. My adventures in such were brought to an abrupt halt when I can only say that I experienced either a one time, transient psychotic break or encountered things which I was vigorously convinced needed no more of my tender attention.

These experiences, tempered by time and augmented by some other observed and documented phenomenon in my life, led me to reanalyze the Abramelin translations in an effort to elucidate the key elements and remove the hocus-pocus aspects.

The hypotheses that I currently hold is that if there is anything to any of this besides distorted perception, it is implicit in a many-worlds observation, in that the bandwidth of probabilities within which we can observe may be somewhat malleable through the appropriate application of isolation from entangling casual interactions and intentional observation. We see some support for this hypothesis through probability manipulation vis-a-vis casimir fields and restrictive cavities.

Adjacent to this is a hypothesis that the web of electromagnetic fields carrying data in which most of us are intertwined, along with other forms of instantaneous communication makes casual isolation exceptionally difficult in the 21st century, as causal relationships leak in even in the subtle vibrations of water molecules or anything else that might respond, down to a quantum scale, to information carrying RF signals. This could, in concept, limit efforts to broaden the spectra of observable universes in a similar way that casimir cavities limit the casimir force experienced within. By introducing causal entanglements, we narrow the possible observations.

Anyway, my intrinsic belief is that the universe is dark, and cold, and full of terrors lol. Explore carefully, kids.


Yes, most of what is experienced is curated. Large parts of our minds evolved to suppress and filter raw perception, that it does not drive us mad and we can think with clear purpose upon consciously important issues (whatever they may be.)

The first years would be spent quieting the mind, though the real work is rigorous and exhausting.

Aside from the immense crevasse which cuts one off from even perceiving the many subtle distinctions, those experientially adept may merely manipulate your perception. In fact, without an uplift curating your experience you could not in a thousand years stumble upon Power yourself.

Other than the immense difficulty, it really is kind of tame. The wormholes are in our heads. Some are masters in creating their own hyperdimensional space (which the flat lander may have trouble comprehending.) this may be every bit as amazing as generative AI creating an HD interactive experience, or a fuzzy blob in the back of the mind which leaves you with a forever haunting impression.

Anything substantive will be trivialized or made taboo (called “insane” ending all argument.)

And dark designs do thrive in the shadow of humanity’s incredulity.

“Yes Virginia, magic does exist in the world; like all things beautiful, dark minds covet and it is the innocent who pay.”


> Anyway, my intrinsic belief is that the universe is dark, and cold, and full of terrors lol. Explore carefully, kids.

Lovecraft felt the same way. Belief in something greater, but something so alien that it cannot be understood in human terms, is a mark of his time period.

There's a lot of that out there, but there's a lot of the opposite as well. There is brilliant, beautiful light and love. My experience is that the light dispels the dark.


Dark is devouring the light.

The spiritual communities are going bonkers about lizard people and other occult (and worse), not because that is actually true rather a psyop spiritual battle is boggling minds from within.

The immoral and corrupt know they can trust (and will “pay”) each other. The moral will be ridiculed or prescribed antipsychotics for their troubles.

You say otherwise because that was the old teaching, that is what you want to believe, and no one has made trouble for you otherwise.

The light and love is precious, it must be nurtured and maintained, protected. The modern mind (comfortable, convenient, and convinced it’s all a state of mind) just doesn’t have the tenacity of will to endure the mounting struggles. Not at scale anyhow.


> You say otherwise because that was the old teaching, that is what you want to believe, and no one has made trouble for you otherwise.

Nope. I say otherwise because despite experiencing plenty of trouble this is what I've seen.

Yes, things feel pretty grim in the world right now. Yes, people are very focused on the darkness of the world, and if they aren't now just wait because someone will point it out to them.

Despite that there is still light in the world. You can see it more easily on the 1x1 level, with people going out of their way to care for others. People you don't really have giving to those who have even less.

Darkness isn't a force, after all: it's just the absence of light.


> Darkness isn't a force, after all: it's just the absence of light.

Are you sure? From a perspective it appears darkness is drinking away the light to light’s last embers.




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