i’m curious, would a CEO _purposely_ leading an effort to automate and deny claims at 3x industry average using AI, which affects peoples lives and in some cases kills them, not be considered murder? (kills them because they may not get treatment they medically need until it’s too late - while they fight with customer support specialists for weeks or months).
Ethically it absolutely is murder. The intent is to fuck everyday people like you and me to make the company some extra bucks.
But that’s just the thing with capitalism. As soon as murder is spread out over thousands or millions of customers, and part of a system, suddenly it’s an “issue with the system” and nobody can be realistically held accountable. Funny how our society works. Apparently the person spearheading efforts like that are completely shielded from the law. Make it make sense…
For what it’s worth i agree that Luigi is a murderer and committed terrosism. I ALSO think the ceo committed indirect murder. He absolutely knew what he was doing to thousands of americans each year.
The problem is that 'indirect murder' citations are operations in propaganda and not reason. It involves torturing numbers like it is Abu Ghraib (lets assign all of the deaths of the uninsured to Brian as clearly he is entirely responsible for the existence of the current healthcare system!), take more leaps of logic than Olympic gymnastics, and all mixed together with an extra large dose of motivated reasoning. In order to absurdly alchemize what is an inconvenience and possible financial hardship into the equivalence of mass murder.
The fact "indirect" has to be added as a qualifier to murder is very telling to the illegitimacy of the concept and proof that just murder wouldn't stand undisputed. There is no reduction in culpability in the actual concept of murder.
There is no difference between killing someone with your bare hands, training a dog to push a button on a detonator, or even using a hitman or deliberately creating a lethal rube goldburg machine.
Instead "indirect murder" is just a way to call things which aren't murder a form of murder. That is a quite dangerous form of polemic which is used to justify violence. It can be applied so liberally to argue that dissent harms "the cause", leading to setbacks and therefore is a form of mass murder and justifies killing dissenters.
we can agree to disagree, but thank you for your thoughtful response.
For the record I don’t think killing anyone is acceptable, but I hope this tragedy serves as a catalyst for some serious discussions in government and by the elites to fix the grotesque healthcare system in the US. That would be the best outcome.
It’s pretty “convenient” that right after this murder, the insurance company Anthem Blue Cross repealed their new policy to deny anesthesia claims over an arbitrary time limit. It’s almost like they know what they’re doing is awful. The difference is now they’re under a microscope…
Ethically it absolutely is murder. The intent is to fuck everyday people like you and me to make the company some extra bucks.
But that’s just the thing with capitalism. As soon as murder is spread out over thousands or millions of customers, and part of a system, suddenly it’s an “issue with the system” and nobody can be realistically held accountable. Funny how our society works. Apparently the person spearheading efforts like that are completely shielded from the law. Make it make sense…
For what it’s worth i agree that Luigi is a murderer and committed terrosism. I ALSO think the ceo committed indirect murder. He absolutely knew what he was doing to thousands of americans each year.