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It looks all these rants are from people who need "Hello World" equivalent of web and are angry that there are tools for more complex use cases. I am primarily a backend developer with couple of decades of experience, who is now working on his own startup. I have built a simple HTML/JS site as our launch page. But I would kick out anyone who'll suggest that we should use plain HTML/JS instead of a frontend framework for our main app.

A form submission is not just a post submit. You have to do client+server error handling, dynamically show/hide/add fields, show char count, handle intermittent state and still more. All of these are possible with JS but is faster and more reliable with a purpose-built library. Same goes for a draggable dashboard, filters for search results...






I agree but it is hard to explain to people what is a difference between a web app and what is 2-3 forms on a website.

Lots of complainants I read seem like people who would do all in plain html never worked on actual web app.

At the same time seems like JS stuff is overused in lots of places and a lot of React or Angular is done by people who want to have it on their CVs.


> A form submission is not just a post submit.

Can be. And still work better than a lot of JS-heavy monstrosities.




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