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> The USA is a horrible country to anyone looking in from the outside.

When I was at a multinational corporation we had people from our EU and Asia offices fly out to the United States for a couple weeks at a time (their choice).

We'd go out to lunch every day and some of us would have them over for dinner at our houses to get to know them.

Many of them were young and had developed their idea of the US from Reddit, Twitter, and TikTok. They'd show up thinking they were walking into a hellscape of a country because that's what they saw on Reddit.

It was a rite of passage for all of them to slowly realize that the US in person is different than the US according to Reddit or TikTok.

One example that came up frequently was minimum wage. Reddit talks about the federal minimum wage all the time as if Americans everywhere are making minimum wage. We'd have to explain that our state minimum wage was significantly higher than the federal minimum wage. We'd also explain that it's basically impossible to find a job paying that minimum wage right now because even the post office and local fast food places were hiring at higher wages.

The list went on and on. I remember several coworkers who went from thinking the US was a horrible country to asking us to sponsor their moves to the US.

> No one would actively choose to live there if it wasn’t for high salaries in certain fields.

That's a chronically online take, but it's completely wrong. Immigration demand to the United States is extremely high, even for jobs that don't pay high salaries.




>Anectodotally back when I was studying in USA the local Panera was hiring for like 20 bucks n hour. Which is more than the mean wage where I live now.


I have literally lived in the US before. I spent 12 years in Canada, right next to the US as well. Awful place to live.

And of course your multinational coworkers want to move there. They’d make a lot of money to insulate them from the awfulness. Not to mention a huge raise compared to working in their home country.


> I have literally lived in the US before. I spent 12 years in Canada, right next to the US as well. Awful place to live.

How long did you live in the US? And what part of Canada did you live in to be near the US?

Most of the Canadian border is sparsely populated on the US side. So I can't see how being in Canada would give you much of a feel for median/mean U.S. life.


I lived in Connecticut for 6 months if you care.

And Canada is relevant because I visited the US multiple times per year for both work and pleasure and got to see what living in different cities would be like. And it was awful.


> That's a chronically online take, but it's completely wrong. Immigration demand to the United States is extremely high, even for jobs that don't pay high salaries.

I would complement that it's completely wrong as long as you're unaware of the hidden health hazards the US poses (which are a consequence of low regulation). These won't affect your day to day life and thus are easily overseen, and are invisible - unless they start affecting you years down the line. Most people are uneducated in terms of en

Examples are the superfund sites in California, the high sugar added to most foods, etc.

Even if you live in the top 1% it's hard to escape these - if your company office is near a superfund site (eg Nvidia HQ) then good luck, your money won't help with that. Yeah you can buy organic foods but if you're going to a restaurant with friends you'll still have to deal with bad quality ingredients.

I'm often amazed how nad the internet it is too when I talk to friends in Silicon Valley.

Bottom line: your high earning salary can only get you so far to offset and insulate you from the health hazards living in a low regulation society impose


A society that bans the sale incandescent light bulbs and washing machines that can be set to rinse clothes with warm or hot water is not a low regulation society.




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