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> We're screwing up our direct environment for certain as that is directly observable...

Is it really? I guess it depends on what you mean by "we", but I was under the impression that major "tangible" environmental statistics in the U.S. have been on a positive trend for decades. Smog, acid rain, toxic metals etc.

http://blogs.reuters.com/gregg-easterbrook/2011/09/01/the-fi...



It's a fair observation, but that is the US. There's a big rug in the far east with lots of toxic crap under it. There's also a lot of stuff we buried in various places and cross fingers it'll never escape.


It's occasionally said that we aren't importing manufactured goods to China, we're exporting pollution.


That's fair, though. They'd rather have dirty, labor-intensive manufacturing to grow a middle class out of grinding agricultural poverty and we'd rather have desk jobs and cheap clothes.

It's a fantasy to believe there's anything more than a marginally better alternative. Certainly China is going to industrialize a lot "cleaner" and faster than we did, and when they have a real middle class they'll start caring about pollution a lot more. And it won't be "too late", I suspect.


IMO, deforestation is one of the worse global problems. Also those giant rafts of trash in the oceans.




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