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The amount of money versus the damage



The damage is tremendous, there are still people that are radicalized by it and spouting his lies today. Doesn’t sound like an unreasonable amount of money to me. What is unreasonable about the amount of money, what should have it been?


that isnt the damage that was assessed at 1.5 billion, and isn't what he was paying for. It is damages done specifically to 15 families for emotional pain and suffering.


Yes pain and suffering caused by lies used to radicalize people about a tragic event. Cute little caveat you’re willing to carve out in your head for lies, though.

Still waiting on your more appropriate number.


oh f off. 'being radicalized' is not damage. That argument fully supports the assertion that this is a government/systemic effort.

show some actual, material damage.


Being radicalized is damage. Some of those people radicalized will go on to perform mass shootings, literally. I would wager heavily that the risk of someone being a mass shooter amongst Jone's audience is much higher versus the average population.


damage to whom? Is that who got the the 1.5 billion? the money didnt go to fund deradicalization. It went to 15 people to compensate for the harm that those people specifically suffered.

If you are saying the fine is an appropriate punishment because of harm done to some other people, than that itself is illiberal. That isn't what Jones was on trial for.

That is intentionally giving an excessive penalty because you want to punish them for something else, that certainly wasn't litigated, and may not even be a crime.

Do you understand how people might be uncomfortable with that logic?


It's not my logic, the jury decided it. I guess take it up with them.

The fines are mostly punitive, which I frankly support. Why? Because Jones deserves it. If anything, Jones should consider himself lucky to be surrounded by such outstanding citizens that they go through the legal system instead of taking matters into their own hands.

Maybe if it was someone else I would care more. But for him, I can't bring myself to care much. Maybe that's illogical, but I don't mind much. Life is always a case-by-case basis.


I think people should also care about the integrity of the court system, and it should not be adapted on a case by case basis.


Case by case basis is the point of civil courts.


Material damage would be collecting money by spreading lies about dead children…1.5billion sounds perfect.


Why bother? Jones didn't provide credible evidence for the bullshit claim that the Sandy Hook massacre was fake, so he's being paid back in his own coin. Fuck him.


This is a good take:

https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:s6j27rxb3ic2rxw73ixgqv2p/po...

If he wanted to avoid losing a billion and a half dollars, he sure went about it oddly.




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