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Gambling in general is a scourge on society. Legalizing online gambling, enabling mass gambling advertising on the internet/TV/radio/etc in many countries has only exasperated what I'd consider an already desperate position for the most vulnerable.





I think excessive gambling is a preview of the ugliest face capitalism could show from time to time. After inflicting pain on the society we’ll learn to keep gambling away and in very restrictive settings such as casinos and places that require determination to go to. By then the investors will have collected their loot and moved on to some other exploitative endeavor.

Im not against gambling per say, but the dark patters and exploitation of human psychology are what irk me. I had some friends whose lives went down the drain due to gambling.


I feel similarly - there is a real dystopian feeling, for instance using UK as an example, of every other shop on high street being a shiny colorful betting shop. Seems like more and more the surviving/thriving business are vice related and it is creepy and depressing, to me at least.

I place a couple of online bets a year on big events. It's a bit of fun and i can afford to lose what I stake

What you need is good regulation, which is pretty much what we have in the UK.


Gambling for me very much falls into the category of “if you’re dumb enough to do it then you deserve to get what’s coming to you” type activities - as in, how do you preserve the practice for adults who enjoy it responsibility, while restricting access to those who’d be better off without it? Who makes that decision? Abolition clearly isn’t a realistic option - so what to do, apart from education and sin tax?

* Don't allow advertising for it, period.

* Standardize the UI. No animations. No cartoon characters. No flashing, sounds. It should look more boring than Craigslist. No A/B testing. No hiring psychologists to "optimize" the UI.

* No "retention team". No freebies, kickbacks, offers, comps.

* Implement a voluntary ban list, and enforce it strongly. Someone that decides to ban themselves from gambling for life should be unable to bet even a penny.

* Setup a "qualified gambler" program, similar to "qualified investors". You can bet $1,000 per year, or 20% of your YoY growth in net worth, or 1% of total net worth, whichever is greatest.


I would like to subscribe to your newsletter. Also I volunteer to design the gambling UIs. I will use Microsoft Excel 97 as my inspiration.

I love the idea of gambling having all the appeal of options trading, that is to say, something that looks and sounds kinda complicated and confusing to the uninitiated.


I love the idea of a qualified gambler. Stealing this for conversation!

How about just "Don't allow advertising period"?

And if a husband is stupid enough to gamble, his wife deserves the increased likelihood of domestic violence? And his kids deserve for the household to go bankrupt?

These aren’t hypotheticals. The article demonstrates that they are real, measurable effects of gambling.


This is addressed in the article. The idea is that it shouldn't be made illegal, but it should be made annoying.

Do what they do with tobacco and alcohol in most of the world. Sin tax and education are possibilities, but also limit advertising, enforce age limits (annoying age checks are also a deterrent for adults), have people go to a designated physical location (what the article suggests), mandate the display of anti-gambling messages, forbid 24/7 service, etc...

Physical casinos are typically heavily regulated, and often limited to select areas (ex: Vegas), why not online sports gambling?


Correct. Folks here don’t even begin to talk about Dave and busters or Chuck E. Cheese with their own terrible betting systems designed for kids were the company script (tickets) buys sugar poison at prices that would make your local robber baron jealous of you!

But no one cares that we begin the stupid-person-to-gambler pipeline right at those moments. No one calls to ban Chuck E. Cheese. In fact, it’s the opposite. We embraced those companies with horror games like five night at Freddie’s - horror games whose characters were rapidly used for internet degeneracy similarly to the overwatch characters.


If you’re stupid enough to get depressed you don’t deserve to rot in bed all day. If you’re stupid enough to get sick you don’t deserve to go into debt.

But I think that’s the difference between seeing gambling as an activity and an addiction.


>If you’re stupid enough to get depressed you don’t deserve to rot in bed all day.

Given how much my country invests in mental health clinics, I think that's what many people up top think, yes.


I think gambling should be legal as it is possible to do responsibly. But I'm no libertarian. I think that money would be better spent elsewhere and I'd support restrictions on advertising.

Regulation against dark patterns.

gambling /is/ a dark pattern, it's basically the archetypal example

True, but there are people who get paid to make games even more addictive. You don't see many old one-armed bandits in Vegas anymore because the newer games are more alluring and addictive, therefore profitable.

the article proposes that placing bets should be done in-person at specific locations. no mobile apps or websites.



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