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most people ignore wwii was decided on baku.

it was the reason for Barbarossa, the first Germany defeat, and it was the only way Germany could replenish the oil used on the Russian offensive, which forced them to squeeze the polish camps dry. they lost it one baku.

it was also where most modern billionaires made their fortune.



> the first Germany defeat

Assuming you're talking about stategic defeats, I'm pretty sure the Battle of Britain was earlier. Possibbly North Africa too, but that's more debatable.


>was also where most modern billionaires made their fortune

Could you explain this claim?


The Baku oil fields were capitalized by the Rothschild banking dynasty, which was already immensely wealthy before the oil age. Perhaps others will weigh in, but as I recall this was in response to the fabulous wealth Rockefeller was realizing in the United States. Petroleum had always been present around Baku and elsewhere, but it hadn't been exploited on the same industrial scale. It was sometimes regarded as an inconvenience which devalued land.


Exactly so. A really good, very readable book on this and oil in general is Daniel Yergin's The Prize.


yes agree that is an enjoyable and informative read..


Sure - I don't doubt that Baku made some people fabulously rich, I'm more curious about "most modern billionaires", specifically "most". I'm not even convinced that most modern billionaires made their billions through petroleum, much less Baku.


Not sure what that poster meant by that.

In this case, the Rothschilds were already a powerful European banking dynasty. There are many shadowy speculations about the different branches of this family. Perhaps this is where the confusion originates.

The Nobel family did better relative to their previous station. In the end the Baku concerns were sold to Rockefeller before being nationalized after the Russian Revolution.


i think you're making the common meaning mistake between modern and current times when in a history discussion context.


thats and the Nobels are the more public ones. there's also billionaires from the astrian dynasties all over baku.

also stalin journalism career took off there.


Nobel (the Nobel prize guy) made his fortune in Baku, IMSMR


I thought he made his fortune from TNT and then founded the Nobel prize out of guilt?


He (Alfred) was well-known for explosives but most of his money came from his shares in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branobel, run by his brothers.


I believe that's where he invented it


Nobel didn’t invent TNT. That was invented by Wilbrand. Nobel invented dynamite. Both were invented in Germany.


I suspect the intended context is most Russian billionaires.


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I'm not sure what you're trying to get at: where's the irony in "Germany started a war to get some oil. Now someone else starts a war and Germany doesn't want to do business with them because they had enough of warmongering people"? What am I missing?


You seem to have summarised what I thought they said


Russia blew up the pipeline.

What is your preferred outcome to the Russian invasion of Ukraine?


That is kind of a Pierce Morgan question: "Do you condemn $X"?

Yes, I condemn $X. Does it make a difference? Buying oil and gas from Russia, which is happening anyway by laundering it through India, does not make a difference. Ukraine knew this, so it kept the Russian pipelines open and collected transit fees while brutally criticizing Germany for Nordstream!

No one in the West any longer claims that Russia blew up Nordstream. The latest WSJ article blames it on Zalushny. That is currently the mainstream version, others still believe Seymour Hersh.


What is your preferred outcome to the Russian invasion of Ukraine?


Rather obvious. Dont expext honesty from them.


I enjoy watching them not answer.


Strange that the pipeline (whose existence has been a major problem to both the US and a number of EE nations) happens to blow up, after Biden delivers a little speech on it:

> If Russia invades (Ukraine) ... again, there will no longer be a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it

And when pressed for more information on this rather ominous statement, refused to elaborate.

Its always odd when the 'it would be a shame if anything happened to it' establishment actually burns down. Even odder when the person the German investigation claims to be responsible did the sabotage out of Poland, and then fled to Ukraine.

With no support from the authorities of either nation, of course, despite both of them having Cheshiric grins over the sabotage.

I suppose it's very fortunate that Russia bent over backwards to do Biden, Zelensky, and Poland such a favor.


As a German who has been horrified by Germany's reluctance to oppose Russia for over a decade now, good riddance to NS2.


You can be pleased at this while assigning responsibility to the responsible party.


American media coalesced on it being a Ukrainian intelligence operation.

https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/nord-stream-pipeline-explos...


Does Ukraine have the capability to blow it up?


Germany believes so.

Also, it's been receiving arms and 'advice' from half the world.


Meh, Russia. Friends with the scum of the Earth. Russia isnt doing anything for anyone else but Russia.




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