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You can say and think what you want, but if you have no explanation or evidence, it can be dismissed and ignored as fantasy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine

In late 2021, Russia massed troops near Ukraine's borders and issued demands including a ban on Ukraine ever joining the NATO military alliance. After repeatedly denying having plans to invade or attack Ukraine, on 24 February 2022, Russian president Vladimir Putin announced a "special military operation",

Why did russia lie about what they were going to do?

Putin espoused irredentist views challenging Ukraine's legitimacy as a state, falsely claimed that Ukraine was governed by neo-Nazis

If they were "provoked" why did they lie?

Just like you're statement that russia was "provoked", stating that ukraine is not a country is wishful hallucination.

This isn't how reality works. You wishing something was true and saying it is true doesn't make it true.




Whether you like Russia or not ks irrelevant, you honnestly need to be pretty dumb to think that Russia would just cop NATO going into Ukraine. Putin even said this wouldnt be allowed on multiple occasions prior to 2014 but the US thought Russia is too weak and did not care.

Even Ukraine supporters admit that Ukraine has a problem with neo Nazis. Like waaay bigger than it should be. Just google it. Its a pretty out in the open fact


Putin even said this wouldn't be allowed

Putin doesn't have a say in other countries. Where are you getting these ideas? Why do you think this a justification? Link me some sites that you get your information from.

The things you are saying here are straight up russian propaganda. Sovereign countries don't operate on putin's terms. Ukraine can join NATO if they choose to.

Is there anything you don't like about Putin? Say something negative about him, anything at all.


You're going nowhere with this guy.


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> Putin doesn't have a say in other countries

Im pretty sure all imperialists have a say what happens in other countries. US does it kn a regular basisneven to allies. It is kind of in the definition of the term. This is not about morality of it. I am saying it was down right stupid not to have expected Russia to attack while the country was taking serious steps toward inviting NATO in its borders. Anyone with a brain could have predicted how Russia was going to react toward this. The US tried to pull a bluf but honnestly they couldnt care less since they are on another continent

> Ukraine can join NATO if they choose to.

I mean, that is obviously false as things stand right now


Im pretty sure all imperialists have a say what happens in other countries.

Where did you get any of this nonsense? Say one thing negative about putin.


Let me play fancy to your immagination ... I can't dude. The KGB will go after me




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