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I don't want to get into religious debate, but you might want to re-read the Gospels - you are missing the fundamental message of Jesus, which has turned out to be extremely popular - arguably the most popular text and message in the world.

> Very many of the Presidents before Trump were...not known for humility in their time.

Who? What did they do? Nobody like Trump or other people I named.






> I don’t want to get into religious debate, but you might want to re-read the Gospels - you are missing the fundamental message of Jesus, which has turned out to be extremely popular - arguably the most popular text and message in the world.

You might want to reread the upthread context: I was discussing the role of humility “in concrete terms of actual people in terms of attracting a contemporary following” and distinguishing that form backward-looking regard (since we are comparing to how Trump is currently viewed, where we can see only the contemporary regard and not what future generations will think of him in retrospect.)

What has happened after the time of Jesus ministry with respect to the impact of works written about him is irrelevant.


Jesus's message of humility was clear. The rest is your speculation, 2000 years later, about what worked.

If it's so clear and persuasive then why is it more lacking today than 2000 years ago?



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