> Then we need to make the same calculation for when half the French nuclear fleet was offline.
French shutdowns were _planned_. Nobody died as a result, and it only cost more money than planned as a result of unlucky confluence of events.
> In reality we work with statistics. In for example Sweden the “reliability guarantee” is at most one hour of demand exceeding production per year.
You have it backwards. Sweden is ready to accept one hour of outage per year. Not more than that.
The failure scenario for Germany is not an hour of outage, but a month without energy. Leading to millions of people dead and a total economic collapse.
> This is the problem with nukebros, there’s no logic to the suggestions. Only a complete fixation on nuclear power as the solution to everything.
There's no fucking shame and zero self-reflection with you greenies.
Germany _wasted_ close to $500B on useless Energiewende and is still directly _subsidizing_ _new_ _gas_ _powerplants_. And it'll need to spend even more than that to have even a _hope_ of carbon neutrality, contingent on multiple speculative bets coming true.
Instead they could have used the same amount of money to build a completely carbon-neutral nuclear-powered grid. That would have been available by now. Using technology that was tried and tested in 2000-s.
They’re not. When considering the resilience of the Swedish grid a 10-year winter is used.
So maybe stop with the hyperboles?
Then a ton of post-fact reasoning for why it was actually fine that half the French nuclear supply was offline during the largest energy crisis in a generation.
Please get back to reality.
Wasted? For the first time since the Industrial Revolution we have found a new cheapest near infinitely scalable energy source: renewables.
Nuclear power was the last attempt, it never delivered on the promises.
I love how you say that it would be “available now” when Flamaville 3 started at the same time currently is 6x over budget and 12 year late on a 5 year planned construction timeline.
Germany would have had massive cumulative emissions when still waiting for nuclear power to come online.
But that’s the problem with you guys. You don’t care about emissions. It’s completely fine locking in fossil fuels for 20 years as we wait for nuclear power to come online.
And then in the next sentence you turn around denigrating even a single percentage of fossil fuels as we transition into a renewable grid, before said nuclear would come online.
It’s simply completely senseless. You’re making ridicule of yourself.
> Wasted? For the first time since the Industrial Revolution we have found a new cheapest near infinitely scalable energy source: renewables.
For the _second_ time. The first time was with the nuclear power. Keep forgetting that, yes?
> Nuclear power was the last attempt, it never delivered on the promises.
France has an 8 _times_ less carbon-intensive grid than Germany. RIGHT NOW. Keep forgetting that, yes? They can go to carbon-neutral with fairly minimal changes.
> I love how you say that it would be “available now” when Flamaville 3 started at the same time currently is 6x over budget and 12 year late on a 5 year planned construction timeline.
Russia is finishing the Bangladesh nuclear power plant. On time and within budget. 2 reactors completely built within 10 years. If Russia can do that, other countries can certainly replicate that.
> Germany would have had massive cumulative emissions when still waiting for nuclear power to come online.
> And then in the next sentence you turn around denigrating even a single percentage of fossil fuels as we transition into a renewable grid, before said nuclear would come online.
Again, zero reflection from your side. Zero contrition, zero knowledge, and endless excuses.
France is literally the next door. Their carbon intensity for energy production is just 12% of Germany's. Right now. Germany in the best possible case won't be able to match that until 2040-s. In reality, it won't happen unless something magical occurs.
Nuclear power never became cheaper. As evidenced by it's continued languishing only supported by subsidies.
Hydro power did, and is famously called "geographically limited" because we in short order exploited near every single river globally.
France made the right choice in the 70s in the name of energy independence and nuclear weapons. They did not care the slightest about emissions.
The equivalent choice in 2024 to nuclear power in the 1970s is renewables.
"Hurr durr my cherry picked reactor!!!"
While completely ignoring all western projects. The facts are: Flamanville 3 still haven't entered commercial operation and the projected was started at about the same time as energiewende.
Flamanville, HPC, Olkiluoto 3 and Vogtle are the successful western projects. The unsuccessful get stuck in financing limbo like Sizewell C because the needed subsidies are truly stupid.
You are proposing that Germany in 2024 should have emissions closer to Poland because you value building nuclear power above curbing emissions.
Lets do a thought experiment in which renewables somehow end up being wholly incapable of solving the last 20% of carbon emissions.
Scenario one: We push renewables hard, start phasing down fossil fuels linearly 4 years from now, a high estimate on project length, and reach 80% by 2045.
The remaining 20%, we can't economically phase out (remnant peaker plants).
Scenario two: We push nuclear power hard, start phasing down fossil fuels linearly in 10 years time, a low estimate on project length and reach 100% fossil free in 2060.
Do you know what this entails in terms of cumulative emissions?
The nuclear option will overtake the renewable one in 2094. It means we have 60 years to solve the last 20 percent of renewables while having emitted less.
Do you still care about our cumulative emissions when any dollar spent on nuclear power increases them?
Utterly wrong. Grids _are_ sized for that.
> Then we need to make the same calculation for when half the French nuclear fleet was offline.
French shutdowns were _planned_. Nobody died as a result, and it only cost more money than planned as a result of unlucky confluence of events.
> In reality we work with statistics. In for example Sweden the “reliability guarantee” is at most one hour of demand exceeding production per year.
You have it backwards. Sweden is ready to accept one hour of outage per year. Not more than that.
The failure scenario for Germany is not an hour of outage, but a month without energy. Leading to millions of people dead and a total economic collapse.
> This is the problem with nukebros, there’s no logic to the suggestions. Only a complete fixation on nuclear power as the solution to everything.
There's no fucking shame and zero self-reflection with you greenies.
Germany _wasted_ close to $500B on useless Energiewende and is still directly _subsidizing_ _new_ _gas_ _powerplants_. And it'll need to spend even more than that to have even a _hope_ of carbon neutrality, contingent on multiple speculative bets coming true.
Instead they could have used the same amount of money to build a completely carbon-neutral nuclear-powered grid. That would have been available by now. Using technology that was tried and tested in 2000-s.