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But you do know what a function is? Or a class? Or an object? It is not like those are non-trivial already or that knowing what a lambda is needs years of studies if you understood these things.

The fatal flaw in the "PHP is simple"-Argument is that its actually not simpler than other things (I wouldn't say that its harder either). Sure, it gets stuff done (tm), but so do others, also without any deep knowledge. They may not be Lisps or Haskells, but Ruby and Python are coming close.

The problem I have with the PHP community is that "its so easy to start" seems to be their main argument. Wouldn't the world be a better place if we had an easy to start stack _without_ a shitty language?




The problem is that any popular "easy to start" stack attracts people who have no idea how little they understand. And then they start building things badly because they don't understand. Some of it proves useful to other people who don't know what they are doing. And before long the ecosystem built around that stack becomes a horror to behold.

This has happened with PHP. It happened with Ruby on Rails. (Before disagreeing with me, think about how much abuse of monkey patching happened, and how many have been bitten by it.) It happened with Perl back when Perl CGI scripts were the de facto standard.

So yes, it would be wonderful to have an easy to start stack that is popular that guides people towards doing the right thing. But human factors guarantee that any that get popular will go downhill over time.

(I've ignored the obvious argument that the same features that make you popular also make you worse. See the famous essay Worse is Better about Lisp vs C for context.)


Wouldn't the world be a better place if we had an easy to start stack _without_ a shitty language?

Yes, and I hope someone will build it!




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