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Perhaps they should make buses prohibitively expensive too, then everyone would be forced to either walk or bike to work/school.

Am I missing something here? Obviously if you apply sin taxes to driving then people who can't afford to pay them are going to be forced to drive less. I bet there would be plenty of "surprising benefits" if we banned all road vehicles and forced people to get around on foot and push bike too...

This article seems to be both making an extremely obvious observation (that the introduction of ULEZ is forcing poor families to get around the city in alternative ways) and missing the fact that such decisions come with both positives and negatives which need to be weighed up.

If we simply want to implement policies to benefit children's health then we'd probably be better off banning junk food. But we don't do that because we understand that there are trade-offs.

ULEZ has been a disaster for many working families and it's highly unpopular for a reason. If you're poor and don't live in the inner city, or if you don't have a nice middle-class office job and need your car/van for work then ULEZ makes you poorer and your life more difficult.



The ULEZ charge only applies to diesel cars built before 2016 or petrol cars built before 2006. ULEZ only applies in London, so all of those non-compliant cars have a ready market outside of London. If you happen to own a car that isn't ULEZ-compliant, then a second-hand car dealer will happily offer you a straight swap for one that is.

You can buy a ULEZ-compliant car for under £1000 - less than the cost of a year's insurance in most London boroughs. If you can't afford to buy a car that is only 18 years old, then I might suggest that you can't afford to own a car at all.


ULEZ charge is cheaper than a train ticket into London. GPs complaint is massively overblown. People want to keep doing what is most convenient for them and everyone elses air quality be damned.


My 2002 MINI was ULEZ-compliant.

I agree with you. The idea that ULEZ means people must give up driving is ridiculous and overblown. It does not affect the vast majority of people at all.


This. I blame the poorly chosen name. The phrase 'ultra-low emissions' suggests that only fancy-schmancy hybrids and EVs get to apply, when the truth is pretty much every street legal gasoline economy car made in the past 2 decades is compliant (it's Euro 4 and up, I believe).

The narrative that this ruling has been created by the rich elites to keep the poors out of London has been heavily pushed by some parts of the media, looking to curry favor.


I don't live in London, but my city has a similar low emission zone.

My dad is poor and must drive an hour to work because he can't afford to live in the city. When he last brought a car he stupidly listened to the government recommendation at the time and brought an extremely economical diesel car because he understood this was good for the environment, and my dad was a long-time green voter.

For the last couple of years since the low emission zone was implemented he's had to take a 30 min detour to get to work meaning it's taking him 1.30 hours to get to work adding an hour to his total daily commute and 50% to his weekly fuel bill and increasing his emissions by 50%. While he could just about afford getting a petrol car, this isn't exactly a cheap purchase for someone who only makes £25,000...

This isn't some media conspiracy. It's been making my dad's life hell for the last two years now. My understanding is that working class people who use vans for work are also getting screwed by this.

If you want to reduce the number of polluting vehicles in the city then ban non-essential cars, buses, vans and lorries. Creating a charge just means that if you're rich enough to not care you'll continue as is and if you're poor you'll get screwed and be forced to change habits.

I'm not suggesting we shouldn't prioritise clean air, I'm suggesting that we should do so in a fair way. I don't understand why anything I'm saying is controversial or why I'm being gas lit about this being a media conspiracy. Perhaps it's you who is out of touch?

ULEZ is not popular. People here are likely out of touch: https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/46024-londoners-split...


You’ve used a poll from the height of the misinformation about the ULEZ, this was when vox pops were decrying it from ULEZ compliant cars!

In reality the expansion always had broad support, and normalised earlier this year in advance of the mayoral election: https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/support-for-ulez-has...

Would love to know more about this low emission zone that your dad is suffering with. What’s the new route he has to take?

Though there is only one low emission zone that’s been in place “for two years” — London’s. Maybe you mean a clean air zone? Or Glasgow’s that was implemented last year?


Honestly you raise a good point about diesel, and I think the government should increase the scrappage value for people who have these middle-aged diesels. In the long run, that would probably the cheapest and wisest way to solve the issue permanently.


So if it has nothing to do with cost, why are people no longer driving? Why don't they just get compliant cars and continue taking their kids to school as normal?

Either the ULEZ charge is changing behaviour or it isn't – which is it?


It's not highly unpopular. The mayor who instigated it won the election by a clear and increased margin.

What it is , is very unpopular with a smallish minority of people, many of whom live outside London, and most of whom were contributing to pollution which should never have been free to create in the first place.


It was actually instigated by Johnson, not Khan! Though it only came in under Khan.


Forced in by the Tory government of the time as part of a deal to providing funding for TfL during covid times


I'm curious as to what definitions of "poor" (in the most expensive housing area in the country) and "London" (where zones 1-2 have the best public transport in the country) people are using here.

Can anyone who is on housing benefit and universal credit run a car? Where would you park it, in a city where a garage costs 150k? https://www.onthemarket.com/details/15789352/

It's also one of the slowest cities to drive in: https://www.tomtom.com/newsroom/explainers-and-insights/lond... ; driving inside the North Circular is always a completely miserable experience.


Yeah, we should make all achievements of the 20th century prohibitively expensive, that'll show them.

The more mobile people will just move out somewhere reasonable, the less mobile will suffer. But that's ok, for adversity brings out inner strength.


Roads with loads of cars are unpleasant. Yes, the car is a great achievement, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t strive to have quiet streets too.

Ultimately though the ULEZ isn’t even going to affect that. The percentage of cars affected is fairly small and shrinking each year.


ULEZ is straight up "poor people go away".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/101st_kilometre achieved with "environmental" means.


It really isn't. I've got a 13 year old Toyota which is ULEZ compliant. I bought it for £4k in 2020. My previous car - a now scrapped Fiat Panda from 2007, was also ULEZ compliant. I bought that for £900 back in 2015. Obviously car prices have been changed by covid - but there are loads of compliant cheap cars available.

It's also only limiting driving within the city limits. You're free to drive anywhere else. Hardly totalitarian.


Poor people in London typically don't own any cars at all. London's ULEZ only has upsides for them.


Except the cheapest cars you see on autotrader are ulez compliant, and the cost of the car is dwarfed by the cost of insurance.


In the real world demand for housing in London is insatiable.

The cheapest borough has an average cost of 10 times the average salary for a house, and it increases from there.


So London house prices will crash because it's not affordable to live there?

Sounds unlikely tbh, but might not be a bad thing if it did.




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