It's crazy to me how much the US internet despises fact-checking when we just watched a debate where a candidate unabashedly lied about easily verifiable information for an hour and would have gotten away with it if not for the moderators stepping in to call out the bullshit. The value fact-chekers provide is context, not the rating-- where did they get this information, does their statement follow from it, and is the source reputable / corroborated by others.
The thing that keeps fact-checkers in check is academic discourse. If someone is doing a poor job then write yourself a Re: and publish it. The "psyop" is convincing people that truth doesn't exist and you should just immediately discount anyone who presents an argument that disagrees with your pre-existing biases. The back-and-forth is the point.
Anyone can be a fact-cheker, it uses the same skills you all learned in highschool to write papers. I can understand not liking the label "fact-checker" because it implies some unassailable source of truth, and I agree I would have called them critics or reviewers, but I don't get to choose the language that catches on.
The real, real problem is that there's a candidate for President who can be predicted in advance to make the unfounded claim that immigrants are eating pet cats with such confidence that a response can be ready.
Trump was just subject to a second assassination attempt. How do you figure Kamala's lie, which she and the moderators knew was a lie, which was intended specifically to demonize a man who had already been subject to one assassination attempt, was somehow a "less real" problem than a lie about a Haitian eating a cat?
And they only fact-checked some of the lies of that one person, the blatantly obvious ones. You're complaining about fact-checking being biased and then citing fact-checking doing good work. Go read any analysis of the debate, the moderators let almost all the bullshit go unchecked. I think it says something different that with what was very light-touch moderation with the high-striker set higher than most viewers would have wanted Trump's bullshit rung the bell more than once.
My favorite part was when they immediately fact-checked the statement that US soldiers are not currently deployed in any active combat zones, which not only demonstrated the even-handedness of their fact-checking rigor but also proved that truth—not partisan media bias or running cover for the current regime—is and should always be the ultimate goal of any media fact-checking initiative.
NPR called her out for this and gave it "mostly false" despite it being true but misleading and required a confirmation from the DoD. What did you want to happen? "Just a moment Vice President Harris, I need to get on the phone with Kirby to confirm this before we continue."
Who cares about NPR? We were talking about ABC's "live fact-checking".
Every American (and most of the rest of the world, too) who doesn't live under a rock (especially "journalists") knows that the US has had active duty military in combat zones since at least 2003—you don't need to call up the Department of Defense to fact-check that information.
Which is what NPR is saying, that Harris was being misleading by relying on technical terms that don't match people's real-life understanding of the words. Would you have been confident enough to call that out when even NPR after the fact can't get a definitive answer to whether her literal words were correct? They only checked like three things the whole debate that were unambiguously false.
The thing that keeps fact-checkers in check is academic discourse. If someone is doing a poor job then write yourself a Re: and publish it. The "psyop" is convincing people that truth doesn't exist and you should just immediately discount anyone who presents an argument that disagrees with your pre-existing biases. The back-and-forth is the point.
Anyone can be a fact-cheker, it uses the same skills you all learned in highschool to write papers. I can understand not liking the label "fact-checker" because it implies some unassailable source of truth, and I agree I would have called them critics or reviewers, but I don't get to choose the language that catches on.