On: Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn

[squidbeak]

Eliminating child pornography and organised crime is a societal rather than 'government' interest. And rightly.

[logicchains → squidbeak]

>Eliminating child pornography and organised crime is a societal rather than 'government' interest.

Empirically speaking, governments have had absolutely zero success at this, but their attempts to do so have gotten them the kind of legal power over your life that organised crime could only dream about.

[bryanlarsen → logicchains]

Huh? The traditional mafia is almost non-existent in the US today. RICO and its application has been highly successful at taking down the mafia.

You could certainly argue that RICO was too powerful and is often misapplied, but I've never before seen anyone argue that it has been ineffective.

[logicchains → bryanlarsen]

Are you implying that after the Italian mafia there were no more organised crime gangs in the US? There's a huge number of organised crime gangs nowadays; who do you think is distributing the drugs responsible for America's massive drug problem? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gangs_in_the_United_St... . A policy isn't a success if it kills one crime group only for it to be replaced with more, and the overall drug consumption/distribution rate doesn't decrease. More people are using illicit drugs than ever before: https://www.ibanet.org/unodc-report-drug-use-increase

[whimsicalism → squidbeak]

think there is a societal interest in unsnoopable messaging.

there are other low-hanging fruit EU governments could do to address crime, NL has basically become a narcostate and they are just sitting by and watching - Telegram is not the problem.

[hnpolicestate → squidbeak]

Yes but the arrest as absolutely zero to do with both claims listed. Comes off as misdirection.