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Do you even read your own source? Even the truncated URL says Protonmail... a search for "VPN" in that article comes with "Yen said a similar order would also not be able to provide ProtonVPN metadata, as VPNs are subject to different requirements under Swiss law."

Sure you can refuse to believe the company's statement, but your comment is based on your (maybe deliberate, conveniently) misunderstanding of mail vs VPN...




Protonvpn is protonmail. They're the same company. They choose to operate in a way that allows user IP's to be given for arbitrary political reasons. They will do it with VPN too if they're "requested".


You appear to misunderstand the discussion.

Under Swiss law Email is communication which is subject to a VPN which is not classified as a communications medium and subject to different laws.

There is no way a legitimate company can insulate itself from legal compulsion. However a legitimate security company can do everything within the law to protect users. Proton does this and has been legally tested.


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Dear Protonvpn, please listen to this guy, he knows everything! /s

Either you operate within the boundaries of a country's laws, or you try to be lawless and hide. A VPN provider hiding from the law, gee, what basis do you have to trust them, if they can also lie and hide stuff from their users?


Selectively disobeying laws that infringe upon user privacy is an act of civil disobedience, not evidence of broad willingness to disobey all laws, commit fraud, harm users, etc.


Show me a company that successfully does this.


I am not asserting that such a company necessarily exists, though Lavabit comes to mind.

I am simply responding to the assertion that any kind of legal noncompliance, including something as simple as refusing to compromise user privacy, necessarily renders a company untrustworthy, which was made in the parent comment:

>A VPN provider hiding from the law, gee, what basis do you have to trust them, if they can also lie and hide stuff from their users?


the statement was that a company operating illegally is _less_ trustworthy than one operating legally.

I think it is plausible, because if the company (through some wonder) picks and chooses which law it abides to, then it literally can scam anyone out of their life savings without any consequences…

I mean, it’s all pros and cons: governements have some cons, but they also offer a framework which is protecting you to some extend from scams. If you decide to deal with a company operating outside the law, you can avoid the government spying/tracking (which, depending on the country you live in, may be vital) _but_, such companies cannot be sued or anything, so you have significantly less legal protections…


Their claim: they have to follow the Swiss laws, the laws for mail providers and the laws for VPN providers are separate, and one of them requires IP logging, and the other doesn't.

Your claim: they're just doing whatever the hell they want, whatever is "politically" expedient for them. Without any substance behind it.

Considering Switzerland's reputation as low-corruption country, i.e. having a government that follows the rules, I can imagine the VPN department will fight such a "request" as you say in their court of law, but hey, I bet your guts know it all.


Following the law is not arbitrary. Nobody is going to jail for you, your data is not that important. And there is literally no better country to do this in. Whatever you think Proton could be would be a company you shouldn't trust in the first place.




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