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I question the life choice of anyone that chose to have a 3h commute and apparently they do to because they would like to WFH. I think a lot of people are blaming their companies for situation they put themselves in but that’s on trend with the spirit of the time.



If I can live and work in a comfortable spacious house with a garden and no traffic nearby, why would I subject myself to renting a 1 square meter flat in an overly busy overly pricey city, just so I can slave my hours in an office?

We now have the ability to get big bucks and pay little rent for good housing, and not be stuck like sardines in traffic, and not having to listen to extroverts' incessant yapping.

Why does it make you mad? We nerds don't have the rights to happiness?


It doesn’t make me mad.

You are choosing to live far. That’s your own choice. No one has a duty to adapt the work environment to suit it.


> That’s your own choice. No one has a duty to adapt the work environment to suit it.

Nope, wrong. It's not my own choice only. It's the choice of many many people, increasingly more, enough that employers have to reckon with us. Hopefully you don't feel threatened or upset about it, cause it's happening, it's gonna happen more, and no amount of corporate shoe-licking can stop it.

There are plenty of people who are okay to be stuck 3 hours in traffic, or pay an exorbitant rent just for the privilege to be working in a cubicle. Increasingly so, however, many are rethinking this arrangement and refusing to work in an environment that doesn't suit them.

So, I don't know about duty, but employers can go f*ck themselves if they can't provide what I am looking for, and I won't settle for less, both in terms of flexibility, remote options, and salary. And since there's many of us starting to think like that, some employers will start seeing reason, and provide an accommodating work environment. To stay competitive, others will have to follow or settle for sub-par workers and potentially (hopefully soon) go into oblivion.

Employers who can't or won't adapt the work environment to the demands of the workers, will perish, and those who can, will flourish. It's as simple as that.


> enough that employers have to reckon with us

No really, they don’t.

You are confusing what you want with what’s happening.


> No really, they don’t.

Oh, really, they do. And no amount of corporate boot-licking can change that. It's, and always will be, worker power.

> You are confusing what you want with what’s happening.

It's possible that you are confusing a potentially bad situation you are in, with what's happening to the rest of the worker force, many of who are empowered and hold a considerable bargaining power in the market. More and more of us have been getting a 4 day work week without the loss of pay, and the right to work remotely.

I, for example, am happily on a 4 day work week, and haven't been to the office in 3 years, and so are many of my colleagues and many other people in the industry. No amount of corp simping or RTO mandate will bring this back.

Remote work:

- https://remoteok.com/

- https://business.gov.nl/running-your-business/staff/health-a...

4 day work week:

- https://www.cnbc.com/2024/05/07/81percent-of-young-people-sa...

- https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/03/opinions/32-hour-work-wee...

- https://www.npr.org/2024/02/27/1234271434/4-day-workweek-suc...

- https://fortune.com/europe/2023/09/04/scotland-4-day-work-we... - https://www.theguardian.com/money/2023/feb/21/four-day-week-...

- https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/22/business/four-day-work-we...


No jobs near my home and can't afford a decent housing near my office with my salary. But yeah, right, it's my fault. Luckily my employer is more clever than your post and will happily let us work from home for 3 days since he values our work.


Since Germany was mentioned, I will say that there is a policy debate in Germany right now about taking away unemployment benefits [1] from anyone who refuses a job with up to 3h commuting time. So a 3h commute is not necessarily something that people choose, unless the other choice is to not have any household income.

[1] This denomination is slightly oversimplified to avoid giving a lecture on how social welfare works in Germany.


Typically real estate is extremely expensive near the places where company offices are. So it's a little unfair to call this a "choice".




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