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Talking about chips, does anyone know what was the feature size in classical DIP-package chips like 4000, 7400, 74LS, 74HC, 74AC series? I googled around, but for example this Wikipedia article [1] has information only on CPUs, but not on simple logic chips.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transistor_count




I looked at a random 7400-series die and I think the feature size is about 5 µm. (The width of the thinnest metal and silicon features.) Bipolar chips have different construction from a MOS processor, so the features aren't directly comparable, but this should give you a rough idea.


I imagine a 7400 TTL quad NAND gate would have... 16 transistors?


I was curious about feature size (e.g. wire width). The number of transistors can actually be found in some datasheets (don't remember exactly which manufacturer published it though).


A 2-input TTL NAND gate usually consists of 5 transistors:

Two multi-emitter transistors (counted as two separate transistors here) One phase splitter transistor. One pull-down transistor. One output transistor.

The multi-emitter transistors are easy to make on-chip and are a clever way of getting two inputs into one 'device'. For a 7400 that was 4 sections x 5 transistors per section = 20 transistors, total.

NAND was the fundamental block in TTL; in the earlier RTL, NOR was the fundamental block - and used only 2 transistors, but needed resistors for the inputs and as the load pull-up. Power hungry and slow as a result.


shouldn't you count the input clamping diodes as transistors




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