> cookie-cutter live-in-a-bubble West Coast employees
We should refrain from such labelling. We should engage in dialog, not label people and immediately reject whatever they have to say. This is not how democracy should work.
> the NYT pretends it still practices journalism.
I'm not sure why Fox News still has "News" in their name. Or why they ever had it.
Fox News has a clear separation of hard news and opinion. While it hosts both type of content both online and on air, every show or article clearly falls into one of those buckets and they don’t hide it.
Every NYT news article reeks of influence from its decidedly liberal editorial board. Can’t really blame them either as the balkanization of media means that’s exactly what their readers want anyway.
Fox News argued in court that they are not news and that it's unreasonable for anyone to construe them as a news outlet. So much for your "clear separation" of hard news and opinion - Fox News argued, in a court of law, that it's all opinion.
Speculative. It's also perjury if they were lying. Are you implying Fox News has no regard for the law whatsoever? And if that were true then why would anyone watch them?
Besides, reality aligns with their assertion that they're not a news organization.
Well... It's not impossible for them to report news in an accurate and unbiased form, so there is the possibility they could eventually be a news organisation.
News outlets should be held to a higher standard than that. Sadly, I don't see anything that can force that but the withdrawal of the legal protections the press has when it doesn't meet those standards.
In theory, they should be policing each other. The reality is, the standard for textbook definition journalism has all but disappeared. All the heavyweights (e.g., NYT, Fox, CNN, etc.) are overly biased, shameless, etc.
What used to be journalism (in the USA) is now mostly TMZ meets BuzzFeed.
> What used to be journalism (in the USA) is now mostly TMZ meets BuzzFeed.
You can't have a news organisation competing for the same attention with organisations focusing on entertainment (or hate-fuelled engagement farming) dressed up as news. This seems like a failure of the market to self-regulate.
>We should refrain from such labelling. We should engage in dialog, not label people and immediately reject whatever they have to say. This is not how democracy should work.
Sure, how about they start first? E.g. by not labelling Musk or having knee-jerk partisan reactions?
"But their labelling is just objective accurate depiction of things"
Labeling? Or an accurate description? They all think alike, and they surrounded themselves with the same. That's why we get the non-journalism we get. It's so bad they don't know how bad they are.
As for Democracy, a healthy and proper Democracy requires a healthy and free-thinking Fouth Estate.
We. Don't. Have. That.
These cookie-cutter, bubble people fond of parroting narratives, yet self-proclaim as "journalists", are the root of the problem.
In short, I was being kind.
As for "news", Fox is not alone. Across the board, grade school level op-ed is passed off as journalism. They focus attention on irrelevant things that happen that don't qualify as news, yet there there are (sucking up eyeballs). Fox is not the only who practices this.
Fwiw, my filter for "fake news" is not truth or not-truth, but also relevance and importance. When a prestigious news outlet is channeling TMZ, the question then becomes, what are they NOT reporting?
We should refrain from such labelling. We should engage in dialog, not label people and immediately reject whatever they have to say. This is not how democracy should work.
> the NYT pretends it still practices journalism.
I'm not sure why Fox News still has "News" in their name. Or why they ever had it.