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Stanford will once again require standardized tests for undergraduate admission (sfchronicle.com)
62 points by belter 8 months ago | hide | past | favorite | 19 comments



> Stanford officials said Friday that they decided to back the tests after a faculty committee studied the numbers and found that the scores were “an important predictor of academic performance at Stanford.”

It sounds like they could have gone the other way if the investigation had shown that the tests didn't predict academic performance.


The findings of the faculty committee was almost certainly available and known before they stopped requiring standardized tests. I would say the decision to stop was due to pandemic and politics, and the decision to start was due to politics, while the stated reason for starting was the findings about academic performance and test scores.


> I would say the decision to stop was due to pandemic

So would Stanford:

https://stanforddaily.com/2020/06/17/standardized-testing-no...

At the time they also announced that they expected to reinstate the requirement for the class of 2026 (turned out to be 2030.)


Embarrassing that they ever did away with it.


During the pandemic all SAT/ACT exams were suspended. The unis didn’t really have a choice.


The purpose of standardized testing was to give smart kids who did not have a good upbringing a chance at college.

For a while, Stanford abandoned this in favor of only giving a chance to those with a privileged upbringing.

I am glad to see they might reverse their course.


Wow who could’ve known that was a bad idea? Surely not the “most educated” institutions in all of the US…


note: standardized tests are the chemotherapy of academic performance. still hurts almost everyone, just don't have a better solution.

dropping them without a replacement was a bad solution. and now its being presented as a false dilemma against having them, fictionally presented as the only two possible solutions

amusing, since its supposed to be an intelligence test, but intelligent people are falling for the false dilemma


> note: standardized tests are the chemotherapy of academic performance. still hurts almost everyone, just don't have a better solution.

This is an interesting, but apt, description. I wish more people would keep this in mind.


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College admissisons tests were a typical thing at least half a century before the timeline presented in your article [0], [1]. In fact, the demand for standardized tests increased in the pre-war period because colleges wanted to broaden their base of students, which had largely become a Protestant elite. Even Harvard's admissions process from the 17th and 18th century was sensitive to designing a test that would not just select for those with privileged upbringings [0].

Historically, the alternative to admissions tests have been social admissions, where you are admitted based on class or family status. Despite all the problems with standardized tests, they are at least nominally meritocratic and independent of what an admissions committee thinks of your upbringing and heritage.

[0] https://commons.trincoll.edu/edreform/2014/05/accepted-the-e...

[1] https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/609506/harvard-universit...


When you take away standardized tests and objective (if somewhat biased) academic measures, what’s left is nepotism. Which clubs did your parents get you into? Did you participate in the fashionable childhood activities that signify being in the elite class?


Is this the leftist version of American exceptionalism? I often find myself baffled by the claim that something common in most of the word like standardised testing as “white” or “racist”.


Testing basic knowledge is not racist. Removing such tests actually undermines democracy, as democracy is the regime that requires the most that each individual has a strong ability in assessing situations in a quantified and calculated manner. That is how the voting system gets close to an effective decision process.


Testing knowledge isn't necessarily racist itself but the way that the american system is set up with property taxing funding schools and redlining and other measures keeping "undesirables" in certain areas we have systemic oppression via substandard schooling which later impacts test scores


Didn’t China invent standardized testing like 2000 years ago? And don’t test-based admissions tend to make schools more Asian, not more white?


Standardized tests enable selecting a diverse student body by selecting the candidates who are most likely to succeed from within each group instead of selecting from each group at random, which will result in more dropouts and failures.


71% of the US population is white.

34-40% of Harvard students are white.

26% of Stanford students are white.

Yeah, sounds like a really valid conspiracy you have there


You need the percent of the US population that is of age to likely attend undergraduate school at Stanford.

This website has ages 12 to 17 at 50%.

https://datacenter.aecf.org/data/tables/8446-child-populatio...


The percentage of white students at Stanford has dropped noticeably in recent years, as the Asian population has grown: https://stanfordreview.org/untitled-2/




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